agreed. I'm amazed at the geuine intelligence put forth in that one. Now is that a good or bad thing?

@monkey condoning that shit, is like partaking in it... you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Well if the media picks up the story its guilty, full stop. I wouldn't expect you to understand how bad the british press is, but trust me, you have to take every fucking step to stop them going totally overboard.

Letting a forum make up shit and then spreading means that is just stupid, and illegal. Sueing the site that allows the printing of known falsities is lawful and if it stops the spreading of lies it they can be sued for liable, that is against the law and I see justification for law suits. You might not understand, but printing shit like that can ruin an innocent man's life. Why not just hang him... or maybe get the guys that worked for the courts in salem?

Sure people are free to say whatever they want, but at the risk of condemning an innocent man? F*ck that, close the damn forums, depriving someone of their live because some retarded cretin want s to guess some utter rubbish with no evidence.

Read up on what happened to John Leslie, that is fucked up, and that all started because some fucking arseholes had to guess and accuse people with no evidence what so ever. This is history repeating itself all over again, and it makes me ill to the core, and it's very sad that you are condoning it (or maybe it's just because you don't realise what it's like in this country with a free press?)

Like I said the only instance I condone censorship is if there is a breech of laws or civil liberties, and there is a major violation of both.

Maybe I just give a toss about civil liberties. They might be guilty, but if they aren't

Hi Spud, I think you are absolutely right. Unfortunately ms is also right. You can sue a certain newspaper spreading false information, sure. No problem with this. But mass lawsuits against every forum where a wrong statement is done? I don't see this working. What if I write somewhere here xxxxx? Do you really read every posting here? Would you like to be sued for something I might have writen here?

That's not wat i was trying to say, i was just startled how much monkey bought into it and thinking it was okay to spread such lies and ruin people's lives.

I think the mods of the forums should just stop and lock the topics telling the posters how low and pond-life they are buying into media speculation. Suing the sites isn't what I'd do, but if a site refuses to take into account these factors, maybe they should think twice about having a say about anything, that's all

btw read up on what happened to John Leslie

i believe there is a loophole that allows the press to name people if it is leaked by another source, an arsehole on tv slipped and named him by accident, the next day the accused, and now proved innocent, guy was dragged through the mud and shit by every paper and tv station

Then I might have misunderstood. I never even thought he could have actually bought something like that. Actually I still don't. I interpreted his posting so that with the possibilities of the internet something like that simply has to be accepted because the methods to prevent such occurences would be much worse and still ineffective.


If it is quick enough discovered.

i have no idea who john leslie is, i dont watch much tv, read the newspapers.

i can understand spud's point, i may even agree with it in theory, but i try (and really cant help myself) from looking at the so called unintentional effects from this, how they would keep big business/anybody with a smidgen of power from supressing anything they wanted, from anyone, for anything that would go against what they are marketing as 'the truth', with any disagreement(even if factual based) would be silenced with the threat of litigation. Cigarettes cause cancer? i believe they 'may' cause cancer, according to what the law here says is 'the truth' last time i read a ciggarette box warning(its been a while, i admit).

sure, the media blow things up(not literally, well not yet), twist comments, stories, and generally cause damage to innocent people seemingly intentionally. it sucks to be accused. call some one a paedo or a rapist, no matter what proof they have of thier innocence, average joe citizen will always have a shadow of a doubt of the person involved. like michael jackson, never 'prooved' he fiddled with the sapplings, but does anyone believe he is innocent? or good ole O.J. Simpson, found innocent, but then when there was large sums of money involved + public disaproval (cause everyone knew 'he did it') he was found guilty.

both sides of it are worth considering, but i will always go with the more freedomloosing/stopping the spread of ideas thru fear/what big business has too gain from it/paranoia/keepin da' poor folks poor/1984 side of almost anything. i dislike authorities slow and steady smackdown of anything they cant control, any ideas that get too freethinking straying from your herd, and turning everybody everywhere into little carbon copied plastic mtv cardboard cutouts, existing only to consume whatever the dorks in charge say. now they can just litigate anybody out of existence, and apparently it's getting easier.

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i think what i boils down to, i just dont want to pay for porn on the internet, and if people dont take a serious lookaround, that may just happen.

Ahhh, good. It is the old monkeysmasher. I really got worried.

i joke around a lot, but if you pay attention alot of what i say does have merit. balancing that fine line between being an obssessive paranoid antigoverment nut and being just a nut is only a punchline away.

so:
be suspicious of your goverment, that's what its there for. try to make things better, that is what your here for, and dont trust anybody over 2. whenever you think things cant get worse, there are 20 people in ties thinking of ways to make it worse for you by making things better for themselves. everyonce in a while take your head out of the sand, glance about suspiciously, then shove your head back in because it's not your problem. well, not yet.

I know. But it is only half as much fun if noone plays along

hehe
it was just that i was reading about p2p programs and being prosecuted for porn, and this is regular porn im talking.
if your legally of age to view the porn in your country, you can still be arrested because it may be being shared amonsts 10000s of people, and some of the p2p users are not of legal age to see it. law says(here at least) you are responsible for what the other people are downloading from your shared files, even if you have no idea, or no way of knowing who is downloading it also, you will be held responsible for every underage person downloading it, whether u upped a kilobyte or 10 gigs. the people who had these laws passed said along the lines of 'your computer is like your home, of course you would lock it up so no one gets in when your away. '
yeah, sounds like a good idea? sure it does. except this version is your the one arrested if someone is in your home. This scenario makes sense, keeping porn away from underlegalviewing aged people, but the laws passed will have nothing to do with this, only with a new way to stop p2p programs, and another little nip away of freedom and make sure everybody everywhere is tracked(in case they do something wrong, or terrorist like, or so all the data can be collected for marketing research, nobody can stay anonymous! they may miss out on these great great sales and free offers!).
if the internet* was around when i was a teenager, hell yeah i would be downloading porn nonstop, whether from emule, chatrooms, forums or whatever.

politicians arent your friends, most laws passed arent as simple as they seem, anything endorsed as being for the benifit of everyone, isnt.
(hehe, i should print up tshirts, i seem to be a slogan spouting machine today.)


*yes, i know the internet has been around for decades, and im not that old, but when i first used the internet in the form it was in, no graphics, 300baud modems, that sort of thing. it was easier just to save all my lunch money and buy a hooker or two.


hmm, i guess im going to go think about daisies and butterflies or something, ranting just gets me to interested in being an ungreatful malcontent, starting anti-whoever websites, petitions and boycotting, and im no hippy, just a spaz with too much freetime on my hand and a lot of omnidirectional anger.
(though now that i think of it, somebody should make a 'legal-check' program, like a spell checker, but one to look thru every statement making sure nothing was said to get a lawsuit filed.)

Reminds me of that burglar who fell on a stair or something in a house he was robbing and won a lawsuit against the ocupant. Or the carthief who crashed a stolen car and won a lawsuit against the owner cause of malfunctioning brakes... and I say to myself, what a wonderfull world!

I'm optimistic. I think they are gonna do whatever they can to turn the internet and all related activities into what they want (control/propaganda/consumerism), but as long as there are people trying to better it and make it what it should be(no need to explain, I think everyone has roughly the same ideas here) things won't be so bad. Can't wait to look back after another 20 or so years... if I make it that long

Don't let them scare you. They breed fear, and want you to swallow it. A teacher stopped class one day and asked me why I was smiling(boring class no real reason to be). I just told her I think everything is funny.

i kind of think the opposite than you on that one karst. as big brother advances in science,technology, and gains more and more info on how the human mind works, manipulating mass amounts of people gets easier and easier. laws have been and are being passed requiring isp's to keep records and track every customer's online usage, emails, sites visited, etc, for i believe 90 days according to some articles i read the other day. this is supposed to fight terrorism. yeah right, this is just another way to document everybody, everywhere at all times.

Party Pooper.

Besides who says manipulating people is that hard.

I guess if they ever try to get me for anything...
I'll just move to Canada and play guitar.

i didnt say it was hard, i said it was getting easier and easier. its like putting applesause in a blender, basically pointless; but not hard at all.
sheepypeople, the larger the group, the lower the combined iq. under the right circumstances, pushes and nudging ideas can get whole populaces to do what most as an individual would think abhorrent. just look at any 20 years of history for the last 500 years, some large group of people have been manipulated to do almost diabolical acts because thier higher up's conditioned them too. and 20 years from now, when people are saying how blind and stupid people must have been today to let or even encourage/particpated in having xxxxxxxx to happen. .

I've been with Qwest DSL since 1999, and my upload and downloads have been maxed 24/7 since June of 2000 when I discovered Kazaa.=)

Haven't had a firewall until october of 2002.

Just got a router also.

I get warnings for abusive behavior, but just ignore them.
I'm still up after 1 year from the first.
But I tell them I can't access Hotmail for security reasons whenever I call for tech support.=)

I pay $150 a month, split 3 ways, for a home business.=)

300k/64k. Pretty nice.=)