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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:51 pm  Post subject:
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@filesize, I guess it can go in since it won't do any harm, i just don't think anyone has ever or will ever use it :lol:


I will - to prove that I was right. :wacky: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:54 pm  Post subject:
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Definatly posting avs, been keeping my avs scripts since a while. In case I might need them again.
Real easy reripping a movie after an error. Or lost files.
But would be cool seeing other peeps avs scripts.

Mostly can't be arsed to split the subs as well. Sometimes there are like a zillion.
Atleast splitting is less work than converting them to srt files. That is too much work.

HOFF, O could also be Official (maby a little better than original since it's mostly the same as afr) Cool you like it :)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:04 pm  Post subject:
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Mostly can't be arsed to split the subs as well. Sometimes there are like a zillion.


Well at least do english as one then, errr... screw france, etc! :prat:

Yeah, well its the risk you'll have to run for complaints if the subs don't fit :lol:

I guess there can be a rules and an advice section to the HOFF spec or something.

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I try and size my rips accordingly to avoid those media size releated problems. If someone still wants to split the subs (dunno why one would want that) they're free to do it. :)


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I guess I'll try and make a HOFF approved release soon :lol: :mrgreen:

I knew I shouldn't have deleted all those .avs files. Good thing I named folders for some of the rips with the matrix name, otherwise I wouldn't know that either :lol:

Splitting vobsubs? Like if there's 20 languages, that's 20 idx and vobsub files? Or it's just 1:40 in the mrning and gotta wake up in 4 hours :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:50 am  Post subject:
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well if you do eng, fr, esp seperately, then leave the third world languages in....
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HOFF! Thats great.

I like the 'stamp' idead too, if mods are willing. Thats the hassle with HOFF, so much iNFO. :dodges tomato:

Matrix/filters used is nice for the ripping-savvy and compatibility concerned.

Though 2/3rds is an almost useless filesize unless the film is 3.5-4 hours with 6ch DTS and HD resolution, I guess that still counts as applicable.

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Latest 2/3 example, Forrest Gump by Unseen :shadey:

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Latest 2/3 example, Forrest Gump by Unseen :shadey:


Was just gonna post that. :) :beerchug:


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forest gump? thats a good enough reason to ban it from a spec :outsider:

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This is gonna cost me my account but I like it. :oops:


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This is gonna cost me my account but I like it. :oops:


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He's the american hero :lol: :wink:

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He's the american hero :lol: :wink:


Yeah, i thought that's why he was voted president in 2000? :wacky:

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In what way is HOFF improving over AFR? From the rules, sounds like AFR to me (or what AFR should be).

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Just scanning the discussion so far, AFR fails on:
audio commentaries muxed aren't banned (bloat)
censorship is ignored, no requirements to state any info, no requirements to post avs, etc. (missing)
no mention of source (seems to only apply to dvdrip+ hence why its only a sticky in the mpeg4 sections atm) (missing)
no mention of rules, ie bad cropping, ivtc = still afr (missing)
744mb for bmovies is frowned upon (no clarification)

since it has no rules or restrictions beyond very, very basic forms.

HOFF = AFR + more restrictions for horror fans = "reward" :)
If you achieve hoff (whenever or ifever there is a spec), you have already acheived AFR and can use both keywords. Its building upon what it lacks.

You can do an afr without doing a hoff, but you can't do a hoff without doing an afr:
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spudthedestroyer wrote:
audio commentaries muxed aren't banned (bloat)

I never listen to audio commentaries and will never mux it into any of my rips, if anything I might provide it as an extra file. But, for some rips, even if you include a 112 kbps VBR audio commentary, that hardly cuts into the quality of the video. Means, if you were to be shown the screenshots of 2 rips where one had commentary and one didn't, you won't be able to tell the difference.

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censorship is ignored, no requirements to state any info, no requirements to post avs, etc. (missing)

OK, what info are we talking about here exactly? I think the requirement to post avs is ridiculous. I may entertain the request of someone asking me nicely for a script, but if that was a "requirement", no way am I going to comply. That's cutting into my artistic freedom (or something similar).

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no mention of source (seems to only apply to dvdrip+ hence why its only a sticky in the mpeg4 sections atm) (missing)

I don't think AFR should be restricted to DVDRips myself. They can also be extended to HDREs, HDRips and even the not yet common HD-DVDRips. Didn't UnSeeN make a couple of HDRips and tagged it AFR already? I don't think anyone protested. As for HDREs and HD-DVDRips, due to the big resolution, the only viable option to get a good rip would be to size it 4.37 GB (full DVD-R sized). Hardly matters if it is even called AFR anymore.

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no mention of rules, ie bad cropping, ivtc = still afr (missing)

Do we have a case of such rips which are still left as AFR? Another thing, there is no enforcement authority for this atm. I can whine about the bad cropping on a rip all I want, but I can't go in and edit out the AFR keyword on the rip. Something to think about. Maybe we need a TDX style ruleset. TDX ruleset is actually pretty good, save some points like disallowing CQMs, disallowing QPEL/GMC, CD-sized rips etc.

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744mb for bmovies is frowned upon (no clarification)

Can be included. Not a big deal. I won't do a 744 MB myself, but no worries if someone else does.

My overall concern about this HOFF is just that you guys are throwing in one more term/standard to add to the confusion. It is with a lot of diffculty that AFR has got accepted somehow and many sites still don't have a clue about it (sites which could have made a big difference to the spreading of these files - VeryCD for example). I think we should put our heads together and improve AFR, not to adopt a different one.


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read over this thread for more of the problem, I don't think anyone can claim to know wtf is afr and what isn't without any confidence anymore. There shouldn't really be any ambiguity or doubt realy, but there is. I thought i knew what it was, but evidently I didn't in the slightest, ever since it was effectively just ignoring those sticky threads in the mpeg4 sections anyway.

I figured you have to meet the spec written up in the stickies at fileheaven, but its pretty clear now that people can do whatever they want to quite notable extensions beyond that text and still its advancedfilesize.

That revlation has pretty much devalued the point of using it as a keyword. I'm not sure if i'm even going to bother using the keyword, as a couple of other people have noted. Seems pretty pointless now.

The arguement for audio commentary inclusion for example, so why are dubs banned? :?

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* Dual Audio, especially Dual Language rips are somewhat of a dilemma, because many people will strip the audio track of the language they don't need or understand. (hence making the rip non AFR compliant in many cases). So release threads containing rips with 2 different languages should not contain the word advancedfilesize, but can use a search word of their own like dladvancedfilesize (duallanguageadvancedfilesize)



The difference between AFR and HOFF is that we can enforce one and have it hhah localised, since it would end up being a clear spec for people putting a lot of effort into making their rips, but not the other, since one is fileheavens and one is ours. Its funny bringing up confusion now, the revelation that the afr spec isn't of much value is probably what's wrong.



Anyway, the problem here was I was attempting to introduce and moderate advancedfilesize at this site but its become difficult and largely pointless so i'm not going to bother trying to get what is afr and what isn't and moderate it, and let fh sort out their spec if they deem it necessary.


note: its not an argument that the rips aren't great, just that its becoming an increasingly ambiguous and useless keyword :)

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