AFR: Ambiguity, qualification, and a new spec

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:01 pm **Post subject:**

he's probably talking about those new fangle 3 1/2" floppy disks

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:29 pm **Post subject:**

This kinda shit is exactly why I won't even bother inserting the keyword into my release posts.

Too many cooks in the kitchen so-to-speak.

The AFR specs maybe cut and dry but they don't seem to have much restriction other than file size and the limit of one audio stream.

1/4 and 1/2 really shouldn't be AFR because they don't fit the 1/3 or 1/6. BUT 1/3 and 1/2 are the popular choices... hmmph.

[over-excited noob mode] Well I'm gonna make me my own spec! [/over-excited noob mode]

My spec will be:

At least 2GBs for video stream, XViD and avi container
AC3 or DTS
Anamorphic is warranted
Movie has to have boobies in it

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:32 pm **Post subject:**

I'm with you on that one, compliant or not, I'm not gonna use the keyword

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:23 pm **Post subject:**

1/4th is in the new spec i see, but only for collections. ie. if you have four movies in a series you can use it, if there aren't you can't :lol:

So feel free to edit back in the advancedfilesize tag if you want and i'll post the update spec when i can be arsed.

GrindCallus, don't forget no dubs rule too. no multiple audio streams -> but they seem to allow audio commentary.

I personally do not like muxed audio commentary, i've done it but only occasionally and i feel all dirty for doing it. I don't think i've done it for a afr movie release, but angel has commentary because so few episodes actually have it and the filesize is quite large for the episodes although they do gain a lot from it.

Maybe there should be a clear cut restrictive one for hhah then? and you can stamp the advancedfilesize one too.

I've noticed that people have been missing the all important one, filesize! Be absolutely, positively double checksies sure your rips are not oversized. Oversized is very, very bad. Naughty! :outsider:

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My spec will be:

At least 2GBs for video stream, XViD and avi container
AC3 or DTS
Anamorphic is warranted
Movie has to have boobies in it

What do you mean by that? your not aiming for a particular size? That sounds like poor ripping technique, or are you saying you'll only be doing 1/2dvdr sized rips? so no 1/3rds? Sounds like a shitty spec to me, its too much for some movies for me atm :lol:

Vae Victis · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:36 pm **Post subject:**

I like the boobie part of your spec.

boobs with dts I'd like a teaser of that one. :wacky:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:03 pm **Post subject:**

hd pr0n isn't all its cracked up to be, you can see the 'wear and tear' of ladies that get paid to flash their chebs or get plowed for a living :lol:

Lux Delux · **Posted:** Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:52 pm **Post subject:**

How about a rule for studios not to make shitty DVD's :lol:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:06 am **Post subject:**

fuck yes! If only that were enforceable...

Speaking of dvds, shitty or not, i just bought that cool The Fly box set with the 7 discs in today

looking at a very recent backlash, maybe we need a real ruleset for a standard?

I think one thing to take into account, this is just a personal opinion, but oversizing is something you absolutely do not want to do. I've made this mistake, check, recheck, recheck, recheck! Try not to get the thing over the maximum. It causes too much pain, and it is fixable, always

Its just where everyone thinks its just a mb, or its just whatever, but the thing is you then get pissed off people that try and burn three movies, but one/two/three of them don't fit, so then its all pick and choosey and it kind of defeats the point of not wasting any space.

Its also tempting to say things like "its free", or whatever, but its not really about that, its about just doing a tiny bit more for a lot less hassle.

One annoyance is vobsubs, its a good idea to rip them as individual languages to seperate folders, then rar the entire setup. That way the rar and idx are much smaller and you don't run to oversizing territory.

I think it might be worthwhile making some kind of hhah quality stamp of golden shitness for matching a simple set of criteria which just extends this? I mean someones suggested before having ratings for users on their profile and all sorts.... i dunno.

If people aren't happy its a good idea to bounce ideas around rather than splintering, it might get some consensus and ideas about how to acheive the best rips for the current day and age out in the open...

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:33 am **Post subject:**

Yeah oversizing is bad. Reminds me: You seen these MosBricka rips that are 1.42GB (all of them). Is that undersized AFR still legit AFR?

And about that spec I posted above (its a joke kind of).

I just don't really care about filesize anymore (for my personal rips) Id rather have a rip with consistent quality throughout and 100% accurate A/R. For myself I would rather compress a 6GB DVD movie to whatever size works best (as long as it fits on 1 DVDr). So 'wasted' bits might be argued, but the compression should be consistent. Grainy old movies need more bits to represent its graininess, so a high bitrate and bit/pixel are needed (obviously). And sometimes black brs allow it to be proper A/R and IMO can be left on. So what if its a 3GB rip... :lol:

But again that kind of stuff can't really be effiently released. Though i'd get them, cuz I don't like DVDR (mpeg2) encodes.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:43 am **Post subject:**

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Yeah oversizing is bad. Reminds me: You seen these MosBricka rips that are 1.42GB (all of them). Is that undersized AFR still legit AFR?

Well its counter-AFR, the point is to ensure every bit is taken up with important data and space isn't wasted, be it actual unburnt bits or dubbing, or whatever. However, its probably better to have an undersized one than oversized one. In that case, its more of an upgraded 2cd.

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And about that spec I posted above (its a joke kind of).

I figured, i just don't know about the whole thing, there's a bit more lax stuff.

I keep making a note of it, but i'm using hdd, but i still size rips for usability so they'll be ripped, and re-ripped until they are the correct size (1.46GB). Its odd in a way that i have no intention of burning them but I think I end up with a better rip if I come up with the most optimum way of occupying space, i could just spend whatever on it but i dont necessarily think that's a way to go about it. Afterall ripping is just the compromise of space and compression, its lossy, you just need to reach the right level of compromise so i think the set filesizes is still applicable.

Do you count side-boobs? :googley:

Lux Delux · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:47 am **Post subject:**

A revolutionary idea just hit me.... Realmedia compression!!!!! :zombiemoan:

At first I thought 1 Mosbricka rip was undersized cause of q2 settings. Then I noticed all of 'em are at that size.

So I guess someone is counting dvd space differently. :lol:

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:04 am **Post subject:**

So what could improve (written) standards of AFR?

Must be some kind of advanced settings to require that would up-the-bar.

Though people hate having limited freedom (see above about 1/4 rips). :googley:

Or howabout an HHaH validation stamp of approval? Though i guess mainpaging is just that :lol:

Ahh I gotta go drink now. :beerchug:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:44 pm **Post subject:**

An extra mile award stamp to reward those special individuals that have tried hard even though coming in dead last?
/me inserts

Something like:

H-ARF
--------

Filesizes
-----
Filesizes are based upon DVD-r filling filesizes, that is 1/6th, 1/3rd, 1/2th and 1 DVD+r sized rips for the most part, with 1/6ths
being the replacement for the traditional 1cd, 1/3rd being the replacement for 2cd, 1/2th being a replacement for 3cd and 1dvdr
being a HDTV suitable size.

For b-movies and films of limited non-cheese engulfed quality, 1/6th as a choice is viable option under H-ARF, whilst its generally not within the aims
and purposes of ARF to reduce the filesize based on budget or quality of the movie itself.

Similarly, for sets of movies such as prequels, sequels and franchises, it is a viable option to release at another dvd-r related
size as long as they are clearly within reason and without having to make too large a quality sacrifice.

1cd -> 1/6th
2cd -> 1/3rd
3cd -> 1/2th

1/5th and 1/4th to be used incase of a set of movies with a number of sequels/prequels. (Maybe worthwhile noting that currently
ongoing movie franchise it might not be overly advisable to squeesh them onto a disc if other sequels are planned/known about,
since the relation is pretty momentary?)

The rip is not oversized in regards to the maximum allowable space to fit on other H-ARF movies (ie. 1/6th DVD+r needs to be no more
than 1/6th DVD+r)

Undersizing from a chosen is not a flaw, but is not desirable. Attampts should be made to meet the chosen filesize.

Summary
1/6th (~0744 MB, should never exceed 746mb)
1/3rd (~1490 MB, should never exceed 1492mb)
1/2th (~2236 MB, should never exceed 2238mb)
2/3rd (~2980 MB, should never exceed 2984mb)
1 DVDr (~4474, should never exceed 4476mb)

1/4 and 1/5th reserved for sets, total should never exceed 4476mb.
Extras should never effect movie filesize.

Audio
-----
One audio track, no dubbing; additional commentaries can easily be provided as seperate streams

Summary
Only one audio track,
Must not be dubbed (exception is for euro movies where it is dubbed in all languages post production, ie. dellamorte dellamore etc.)

Subtitles
-----
Are provided with releases if provided with the dvd.

Summary
Include them!

Source
-----
There are no restrictions on source, the H-ARF can be applied to VHS, DVD, HDTV,

Extras
-----
The size of the rip is uneffected by extras, the extras can be sized to fill up a 1/6th or 1/3rd or remaining size to fill up a disc
in addition, but the movie isn't compromised to allow for extras to fit.

Summary
Extras are treated as such, and can be sized to fill remaining space but not negatively effect the movie.

Censorship, versions and edition
-----
A statement of whether the film is known to be censored, the edition and related info is vital and required. A brief summary of
alternative versions, improvements or changes provided in an nfo or text summary is an ideal edition. This information can be
found in a variety of places including, http://www.imdb.com in the "alternative versions" section of a movie entry, http://www.bbfc.co.uk for
cut status in the uk, http://www.dvdcompare.net for edition details (note they consider theatrical uncut, rather than consider if the
theatrical was censored), http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk for cut status (uk cut status watch), and http://www.dvdbeaver.com for visual/audio
comparisons. Google is also a good source for information, and you can always ask.

Summary
Information on version, edition of the source and censorship should be made. The more info the better

Ripping Standards
-----
* Rips should be fully cropped on all sides. Sliding border DVDs of course are an exception. Try not to overcrop
* NTSC rips should be IVTC'd, unless the source is native NTSC (rare)
* Aspect Ratio (A/R) must be within 4% of source
* Deinterlacing must be applied if necessary.
* Resolution should be no lower than 512x for WS or 448x for 4:3 (perhaps these should be upped for the spec?)

Summary
All of the criteria must be met

Thread details
------
When posting the thread, include as much info as possible. An nfo (use nfo tags ), imdb entry, poster, screenshots and the link
is really helpful for people.

Summary
All of the criteria must be met

Final words
If all of these are met, or exceeded, well done, you've earnt a H-ARF

Something like that? It can be like a reward for a ripper who's tried hard to meet a very high standard of quality

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Or howabout an HHaH validation stamp of approval?

How about:
:prat:

Yeah i was just thinking it could be a keyword the user can use when posting and then a stamp or some kind of deal like that given by a mod. :lol:

^Rogue^ · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:56 pm **Post subject:**

1) 2/3 DVD should be included.

2) Why H-ARF and not H-AFR?

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:21 pm **Post subject:**

1) I've never seen a practical use for that filesize, can you give an example?
2) cos it sounds better, half vs hafr and all

^Rogue^ · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:34 pm **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

1) I've never seen a practical use for that filesize, can you give an example?

Not really, but a situation in which 1/2 won't do but 1 DVD would be overkill is perfectly conceivable IMO. We're talking about over 2 gigs size difference between the two sanctioned filesizes which isn't very flexible. Having something in between sounds like a good idea to me.

I'm thinking about movies like Heat or Casino that might benefit from 2/3 DVD with regard to quality but not need a full DVD at approx. 3 hours.

spudthedestroyer wrote:

2) cos it sounds better, half vs hafr and all

OK.

Lux Delux · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:38 pm **Post subject:**

I think I saw 1 or more Unseen releases at 2/3 size, can't remember which ones exactly though....

You can't imagine how long it took me to figure how much that is in megabytes :lol:

Vae Victis · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:49 pm **Post subject:**

Can't we call it Hoff?

HHAH Original File Format?

there is a joke in here somewhere, and I don't mean in original.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:37 pm **Post subject:**

lol!

+1 for HOFF.

@filesize, I guess it can go in since it won't do any harm, i just don't think anyone has ever or will ever use it :lol:

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I think I saw 1 or more Unseen releases at 2/3 size, can't remember which ones exactly though....

Your probably thinking of the Pitch Black rips, but unfortunately they weren't 2/3rd size, they were all off-sized to accomodate a crappy anime thing iirc. Shame really, since the anime sucked balls :lol:

Other thing that could be in it:
* Statement of matrix, filters and even better a link to the avs file (that way its not only a great rip people get, but a learning experience for their own rips)

Are people receptive to a more clearly defined HOFF regulation btw? Where you get a sticker or perhaps a star wars pog! :wacky:

^Rogue^ · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:48 pm **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

Other thing that could be in it:
* Statement of matrix, filters and even better a link to the avs file (that way its not only a great rip people get, but a learning experience for their own rips)

Don't exaggerate this, I mean making an NFO shouldn't turn out to be more work than the actual ripping.

I probably won't meet the specs on occasion anyway because I can't be arsed to split the damn subs.

HOFF's great btw. :beerchug:

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