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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:48 pm  Post subject:
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I've found that none of my standalones play EVERYTHING

Try a film ripped with QPEL or packed bitstream.

My players even displays an error message saying QPEL not supported & packed bitstream on most players, 2 out of my 3, plays along in jerk-o-vision. :?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:01 pm  Post subject:
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Mine too. At least I could fix the packed bitstream stuttering with a firmware hack. What is the easiest way to remove QPELs from AVIs? Do I have to recode the entire movie? :?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:06 pm  Post subject:
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Yes unfortunately. Virtual dub mod it with a 2pass xvid & the VHQ boxes ticked in the codec setup. If you have 2 PCs, then its not so much of a waste of time as it only takes 3 or 4 minutes to setup vdub, but it lags the pc as its a powerful proggy & on my other pc it can do a 2 pass in anything from 45mins to 2 hrs depending on the source. You will lose quality, but its minimal assuming you have the codec setup right. :D

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spudthedestroyer wrote:
Oberon, your standalone, what's the make and model?
I can make mpeg4 content that will most likely be unplayable that shouldn't be. Just need to start checking quality improving features.



It is a DVP5140/37. I've been pretty happy with it so far. I'm sure you
could make some unplayable content but why would you want to? To put
this in perspective, I don't have an HD tv, just a normal 31" TV. I'm sure
you would start to see some artifacting on a larger/higher def. TV but
that is not my concern ATM. So far I've DLed nothing that wouldn't play
in the 5140. In all fairness, I also tend to grab older movies. Most of
the newer ones I just can't stand. :roll:

spudthedestroyer wrote:

As for subs, are you using .idx and .rar ?


I'm not sure if I've tried .rar. .idx and .sub files seem to work
just fine.

spudthedestroyer wrote:
XBMC is a pc, but with a excellent (read: unsurpassed which is why there's huge appeal to get it ported to linux) interface designed for media playing.


I won't debate you there. I think XBMC is a great solution for playing
media files. Just not the only one. I think Slayer said something similar
in this thread. Also, I try to keep reminding myself that all this wonderful
media is free! So, even if I have a little hiccup now and again, I can't
be too disappointed.

spudthedestroyer wrote:
Using a mouse and keyboard is a tad shitty to be honest, I used to do it myself using pc+tvout. Was a worse option in the long run :)


Nah, they come with remotes now! The IRBlaster or something like
that. Why does eveything have to be 'blaster' or 'extreme' now a days.
Geeze, it's just a frickin' remote... :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:56 pm  Post subject:
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I'm sure you
could make some unplayable content but why would you want to?


By using a suitable compression matrix, something that's perfectly valid under mpeg4 specs and vastly improves the quality of the rip.
I always use CQM on my rips because frankly they need them. Yet that may mean they don't work on your machine.


My grudge is that people that rely on shitty hardware that violates the MPEG4 standards have fucked up the scene release guidelines. They can't use CQM, they can't use QPEL, or any advanced profile technique because people have bought these shitty players that are completely hit and miss when you use advanced profile settings. So its affected anyone that's bought some decent kit which you have to admit will kind of piss people off. These are settings that are mpeg4 standards compliant and perfectly valid; greatly increasing quality in some cases. However, the people with the shitty hardware download them and winged when it doesn't work leading us to a sad state of affairs. who's fault is that?

Hence, utter contempt for such hardware. :lol: That is why i loathe these shitty standalones, they slow the course of human evolution and to me are unjustifiable :lol:


On yours specifically, it is a third gen player which is vastly improved over initial batches but vastly inferior to basic standards I'd hold if i was going to buy a player; not so hot since you have a MediaTek MT1389 chipset as far as i can gather which has its share of nasty incompatibility problems. Software wise your player overcrops resolutions over 640x480, doesn't support ogg and other alternative compressions for audio (popular for anime rips) although that might have been fixed in firmware (I'd be surprised from philips!!!), doesn't support several CQM (infect rips will be hit and miss, they use a variety ;) ), and there's a birrage of advanced profile settings for xvid that are unsupported.

So i may have already put out rips that you will find won't work on your standalone it seems; it was not my intention to do so... your player just kinda sucks :(


Check the box next to your player if you want some info on it:
http://divxtest.surdvd.com/form/divxtes ... p?lang=eng

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:48 pm  Post subject:
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Personally I completely understand Spuds opinion & his reasoning, but...

Standalone players are built for the masses. The basic end user who knows jack shit about ripping or modifying X-Boxes.

It would be wrong to lay blame on the end user for you not being able to rip a film at your desired level of quality because that is your own personal choice wether to add or not to add QPEL, CQM's etc. For example, UnSeeN makes some fantastic rips that are standalone compatible so it is possible to do so without adding all the funky settings although a lot of the UnSeeN rips are 1/2 DVD in size which is another thing that can put a lot of people with b/w usage allowances off.

Yes people complain on occasion that a rip won't work on their standalone but I'm sure that most rippers arent particularly bothered about that persons gripes when it would seem that the majority of downloaders arent that bothered & as technology advances this is become less of an issue.

I have to say though, that obviously these people are looking for something that plays & if they've d/led a rip by a particular ripper & that doesnt work then next time they will look for an alternate rippers version, basically blacklisting that previous ripper as NonStandaloneCompatible.

This has all gone way off topic as usual :googley:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:47 am  Post subject:
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@Spud: Well, there is much food for thought in your posts. I won't
pretend to know exactly what CQM and QPEL really means. I'll be
doing some reading here shortly. But I still have a sneaking suspicion
that much of your philosophy caters to higher end equipment. I can
only judge by what I have DLed and watched on my TV as to the quality
of the picture. I've seen some rips that were just god awful (super
low bitrate) but really most of the rips have been satisfactory. Lately
I've grabbed a couple aXXo rips (I think I got that right) and they
have been marvelous. BTW, thanks for that divxtest link! Again
so much info it kinda makes me wanna :suicide: Kidding!

@BadBugs: Yeah, I think that everybody is going to have different
standards based on equipment capability. If I had a HD TV and the
'lower quality' rips made the movie unpleasant to watch then I'm
sure I would push for higher standards to. Sadly, I have no real
comparision on which to judge. Just my own system.

And yes, wayyyyyyyy off topic. Sorry for the hijack... :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:22 pm  Post subject:
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true, problem is xbmc is very entry level... its a mere 700mhz, has very little ram and costs a meagre £30.

High end would be something capable of playing 1080p which it does not have the processing power to do.


As for TDX, its almost as if they are wanting to sell their rips to the masses. That's why we had that SVCD fiasco for so long. Chinea pirate market was huge.

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spudthedestroyer wrote:
However, the people with the shitty hardware download them and winged when it doesn't work leading us to a sad state of affairs. who's fault is that?


I'm very sory that I didn't have a printed out copy of your XBMC guide with me when I went to buy a DVD player :P Actually, when I think of it, I went to buy a TV and bought the DVD player to go with it. I'm very happy with my standalone, the only thing I regret about it is that it doesn't play mpeg files. Well, if that's all...

Oberon wrote:
And yes, wayyyyyyyy off topic. Sorry for the hijack... :roll:


Nevermind :wink: As long as I can learn from what is posted... :thumbsup:

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