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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:11 am  Post subject:
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:lol: I'm sure something will happen at some point, but I fear $99 will be involved :(

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Shit, I'd pay $99/year for XBMC & Piracy on the 360. :lol:


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Yeah, so would I :lol:

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PS3 - 20gb (so as to keep the comparison fair) - $499
ps3 Total = $499


They will not be selling this model in the uk, we only get the $599 model at a usual unworkable rate of inflation. UK only gets the expensive model according to all sony press releases since E3 this year, but then Sony aren't the fountain of knowledge on anything, positive or negative news.

Your assuming sony is going to help people out and throw in development for free? Sony? Don't you think that's a tad trusting? :lol:

I think for sums, you need to wait until launch, because at the moment your adding hotair ;)

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ps3 Total = $499


They will not be selling this model in the uk, we only get the $599 model at a usual unworkable rate of inflation. UK only gets the expensive model according to all sony press releases since E3 this year, but then Sony aren't the fountain of knowledge on anything, positive or negative news.


But even assuming it's £499 (which is high - play are preordering for £550 with 3 games), the xbox360 is still more expensive to bring it to an equivalent (ish) spec :

Console - £280
Wifi adaptor - £60
Projected cost of HD-DVD addon - £150
We're at £490 before we add the ~£60 (depending on exchange rate) for homebrew development - £50 more than the PS3

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Your assuming sony is going to help people out and throw in development for free? Sony? Don't you think that's a tad trusting? :lol:[/quote]
Well, they did on the PS1 and the PS2 (yabasic IIRC & the option of buying the hardisk which included Linux) and they've promised the same on the ps3 so it's not too much of an assumption.

http://www.ps3informer.com/playstation- ... 004636.php
http://news.spong.com/article/10074?cb=521
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64791
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I think for sums, you need to wait until launch, because at the moment your adding hotair ;)

Why do I need to wait for launch? The prices are a known commodity as are the specs.


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yeah but your working with accessories which just aren't needed, you have no choice about what crap is attatched to your ps3, but why are you adding in hd-dvd? I for one aint gonna use a shitty wifi connector on a games console either.

Why is hd-dvd addon tallied? Why do we want that? M$ says they aren't going to be putting games out on it.

Console - £280
<s>Wifi adaptor - £60
Projected cost of HD-DVD addon - £150</s>
<S>We're at £490 before we add the</s> ~£60 (depending on exchange rate) for homebrew development - £50 more than the PS3

Actual price of software development with xbox360 = £340
If its free for the ps3, and not for the xbox360 that is, then it will take over 3 years for the prices to match.

I ain't going to be buying any console till they sort their shit out, microsoft won't charge for software development if sony doesn't most likely, which won't be until after the two launches this year and the prices actually appear and settle, but i sure as hell ain't buying shitty accessories that there's no point of. Why do i need hd-dvd or bluray? why do i need a wifi addon? :)

Okay, fair enough i know your tallying your own personal thing, but why do you need hd-dvd?

The criticisms i have with the ps3s price, which is not good, isn't that for what you get it isn't economical, people just don't want half the shit that's bundled with it, and you don't have an option but to buy it.

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But even assuming it's £499 (which is high - play are preordering for £550 with 3 games)


Actually doesn't sound like we know shit about the price apart from maybes, preorder guesses and nothing else. ;) We don't know how much the xbox360 is going to drop to if there is one (m$ say no atm but imo that's bs, same shit happens every console launch), or whether these development packages will even turn up. Your pricing m$s at $99, its not even out yet. That's why you need to see the consoles on the shelves with a price tag before you tally things up. There's months before launch and its an aggressive market that microsoft is trying to take over.

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limited to ~10,000 worldwide and cost a bomb :o
I remember reading about them in play many, many years ago. I even saw photos, aint shit since though :lol:

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Expensive and ltd on PS1 yes, but free on ps2 - Yabasic was bundled so they could sell it as a computer and avoid heavy taxes :lol: (although you had to add the HD and linux to be productive)
PS3 will be bundled with Linux (again to enable Sony to sell it as a computer :lol: )

I agree that you don't need it all now, but 2/3 years down the line, HD content will be much more important and that's also when the massmarket tends to jump in.

Microsoft ARE charging for homebrew development BTW : http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/xna/gamestudio/ it's irrelevant what Sony do or don't do.

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was it? didn't know it was free on the ps2. I never saw either, i read plenty about them. :oops:

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Sure will be, but hopefully hdtv or bluray will be dead by then. Which means one or the other accessory isn't needed. To be honest, the ps2 was quite a good DVD player back when dvd players were expensive. I'm kinda glad i got one, even though i didn't actually play any games on it (like an earlier crappier Xbox i suppose, since i don't play games on that either :lol: ).

This time, with bluray... i just don't see it as a bargain or a necessity since its pushed the price right up. What with the split standards, and the price being pushed so ruddy high because of it it could be a real problem.

I dunno, hopefully in a year or so one format will be gone, and it may very well be hd-dvd, in that case, the addon isn't needed anyway, and i'd probably buy a PC based bluray drive and build a media center so the ps3 one wouldn't be needed either :lol: Either way, that needs to go into your tally.

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Well the scheme hasn't launched so they are not doing anything, what that page does tell us is that they plan to. What your saying is its beyond a multi-billion dollar company to change one of its policies to fight a competitor, when the schemes actually launch? ;) Its not irrelevant in the slightest imo, its very relevant what sony does.

It all depends on how much development on the PS3 becomes popular, its very relevant.

I'm wondering about Xbox Live subscriptions too, you know with the developments to Live anywhere which is multiplatform, I don't think they can get away charging for a PC gaming platform, so I wonder what's going to happen to their pricing structure? Sony is offering it for free which is a smart move. I know Xbox Live is a cashcrop, but i heard murmorings that they are going to move from subscription to atomic payments... you hear anything about that? Do you think they'll honestly try and sell the service to pc gamers?

Kinda makes me glad I ain't buying into this console shit this time around.

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The whole $99 XNA thing is fundamentally flawed anyway IMHO, for the sake of argument let's assume I write a game for the 360.

In order for my friends and family to see this masterpiece, they have ALL have to pay $99 (the cost of 2 full price retail games!)

MS will certainly charge the $99 to begin with, they may well change that model at a later date, but they've announced it and it's launching at the end of August / Early september so to scrap it now would be a very unusual move (not impossible, but exceptionally unlikely)

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yeah, i don't get it either. For windows games its free.
http://www.planetxbox360.com/index.php/ ... s/show/270

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We are investigating ways to make the subscription more valuable, and will have more details as we get closer to initial launch date for the subscription service.


I think what they are trying to do is create an xbox live service like the virtual console is doing, where it lists independant games which you can download and run on your console. So for your $99 you get access to all the games that people have made and published to download off of the xbox service. But for that, it seems like a complete ripoff. I don't see how they can feasibly keep that subscription fee at that rate at least.

Then again, i ain't got any interest anyway... i'm perfectly happy with QuakeC! :lol:

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Just spotted this one @ wired.com in my rss sidebar, and since its a long read (its more about the money sony is throwing at this)

Can the PS3 Save Sony

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Never try to introduce the same product twice. That was the lesson from the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May. A year earlier, at E3 2005 in Los Angeles, Sony had wowed the videogame industry with demonstrations of the upcoming PlayStation 3's unprecedented graphical muscle. The machine wouldn't be available until months after Microsoft's next-gen console, the Xbox 360. Yet based on the spectacular preview, many gamers had no problem waiting for the PS3. Then, early this year, Sony dropped a bombshell: The PS3 release would be pushed back until November. So when E3 came around again this spring, everyone trooped out to the retro Hollywood lotusland of the Sony Pictures lot – only to view the same console they'd been promised the year before. Not great.


Delays are nothing new in tech, but Sony seemed intent on making the worst of it. The crowd was kept waiting nearly an hour. Then Kaz Hirai, who heads PlayStation in North America, took the stage to declare, "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does!" He meant it as a dig at Microsoft, but to gamers who'd been salivating for a year, his words were like a bitch slap. The demos that followed were no more impressive than those the year before. Finally, PlayStation chief Ken Kutaragi came forward to make the one announcement everyone wanted to hear: the price. $600 for the high-end model? The room gasped, then fell silent. Almost immediately, the blogosphere lit up with denunciations: Sony has turned its back on gamers. The PS3 will be a failure. Kutaragi and Hirai are idiots.

PR fiascoes tend to be a sign that nobody's thinking about the customer. E3 was Sony's second in seven months. Last October, a security researcher reported on his blog that CDs from Sony BMG – the music label half-owned by Sony – contained antipiracy software that covertly embedded itself in computer operating systems, spying on their owners and leaving the machines themselves vulnerable to identity theft and zombie takeover attempts. Sony BMG pooh-poohed the problem and released a software fix that made it even worse. Millions of CDs had to be recalled. As class actions multiplied and even the Department of Homeland Security warned music labels against undermining computer security, angry consumers declared themselves ready to boycott anything with the Sony name on it.

Sixty years after its founding in the ashes of postwar Tokyo, the company that gave us the transistor radio and the Walkman portable music player is deeply wounded. Only once in the past five years has Sony's all-important electronics division posted a profit; during that same period, the company's share price has fallen by nearly half. Its hit products of the '90s – Handycams, WEGA TVs, VAIO computers – were succeeded by stillborn wonders like the AirBoard, a $1,000 videoscreen that could be carried around like a laptop, and the Net MD Walkman, a too-little-too-late attempt to challenge Apple's iPod. Neither this latter-day Walkman nor Sony Connect, the online music store The New York Times once called "Sony Disconnect," would have anything to do with MP3 files – only Sony's cumbersome and proprietary Atrac3 format would do. Now, having ceded to Apple the portable-music-player market, Sony desperately needs to stay on top in videogames. It's not just that Sony needs a win; PS3 is critical to its entire strategy.

The PS3 is much more than a game box. Kutaragi likes to say it's actually a computer, one that's designed to lie at the center of the networked home, serving up films, navigating the Internet, doing nearly everything a PC can do, and delivering jaw-dropping videogames besides. The new console relies on two extremely ambitious yet untested technologies. At its core is a highly sophisticated microchip that can cruise at teraflop speeds (equal to the fastest supercomputers of less than a decade ago) and that might someday revolutionize home electronics. Also built into the machine is Sony's new Blu-ray hi-def disc player, which is proudly incompatible with a rival format from Toshiba – and which represents a bold, some would say reckless, attempt to control the multibillion-dollar market in next-generation video discs.

All this makes for a daring strategy, but not one that plays to Sony's strengths. Sony has always been at its best as a personal hardware company, coming up with nifty gadgets that delight consumers. In recent decades, though, it's become oddly fixated on imposing its own standards – Betamax for VCRs, the Mini-Disc for digital music players, the Universal Media Disc for PlayStation Portable, the Memory Stick for anything you can think of – despite the world's unwavering rejection of those standards. And Sony has never displayed an aptitude for software or had great success with networking, the key feature Microsoft has built into the Xbox. Yet Sony has to face Microsoft not just in videogames but across the entire panoply of home electronics, which Microsoft is determined to control through software. And Sony has to do this with cash reserves of $6 billion – compared to Microsoft's $38 billion hoard – while losing hundreds of dollars in manufacturing costs alone for every PS3 sold. Eventually, Sony's costs will come down. But in the meantime, Goldman Sachs projects, Sony will lose nearly $2 billion on the PS3 by the end of this fiscal year in March.

Sony lovers – and they are legion – have been watching all of this with awe and trepidation. It's not every day that a $64 billion-a-year corporation puts its future on the line. "It's very un-Japanese," observes Rishad Tobaccowala, who tracks the entertainment business as a future-of-media specialist at the global ad giant Publicis. "It's betting the company. If this thing bombs, there is no second coming. Everything else about Sony is a sideshow. This is the show."

How did it come to this? There were missteps aplenty, but at their root is a common dynamic: What once made Sony great has worked against it in the digital age. Sony's course was fixed in the 1946 prospectus drawn up by cofounder Masaru Ibuka, when he set forth the new company's purposes of incorporation. Number one on his list: "To establish an ideal factory … where engineers with sincere motivation can exercise their technological skills to the highest level." To succeed, engineers would need to form small development teams and compete to build the next great gadget.

Teams of hardware engineers locked in competition: "It's the principle Sony is built on," says Shin'ichi Okamoto, PlayStation's former CTO, now a Tokyo entrepreneur. "Personally, I believe it's not such a good principle nowadays. I got this impression in the '80s, with the technological shift to semiconductors and software" – both of which require enormous development teams that collaborate with the hardware units their work is intended for. "At Sony, most engineers want to invent something new by themselves. That's a very different goal."

Phil Wiser, the former CTO of Sony's US operations, reached a similar conclusion after he was tapped to salvage Sony Connect. "With digital entertainment, you have to think about hardware, software, and services that tie them all together," says Wiser, who managed to heave Sony onto the MP3 bandwagon before leaving earlier this year for a Silicon Valley startup. "But it's very hard to quantify the advantage of good software. If you're in a hardware company and you analyze it from a financial perspective, you just want to do it as cheaply as you can. Software and services are an afterthought."

The need to replace small competitive teams with large collaborative ones did occur to a few key Sony executives. Toshitada Doi, a legendary engineer, set up a computer science lab in 1988 because he saw that the future would require networked devices and large-scale software development. Years later, then-CEO Nobuyuki Idei reorganized Sony into a series of "network companies" and charged a promising lieutenant, Yuki Nozoe, with pulling together random broadband offerings into an all-encompassing networked future. But all this talk of networks was anathema to Sony's entrenched engineering cadre. Today, Doi, Idei, and Nozoe are all gone, victims of their failure to make a difference, swept away in the boardroom coup that in spring 2005 put Howard Stringer, a longtime media exec who'd been heading Sony's US operations, in charge of the company.

The culture of the lone-wolf hardware engineer reached its apex when Ken Kutaragi triumphed over internal opposition to create the PlayStation. In the early '90s, Kutaragi burst forth with a seemingly reckless scheme to take on Nintendo and Sega, the ruling powers of the game world. Yet even then he viewed Microsoft as the ultimate enemy. Shuji Utsumi, a former PlayStation exec who now heads the Tokyo-based game developer Q Entertainment, recalls an exchange in which Kutaragi declared, years before the Xbox was introduced, that his competitor was Microsoft. "I thought, what is he talking about?" Utsumi says. "Is he nuts? But even before PlayStation was born, he was predicting a big war for the living room."

PlayStation 3 is hostage to that prediction. Because technology can be decisive in war, Kutaragi loaded the PS3 with the biggest, baddest armaments yet: the Blu-ray disc drive and the Cell microchip. He and his team had barely gotten PlayStation 2 out the door when they started conceptualizing the silicon for its successor. The result, developed in partnership with IBM and Toshiba, features a central processing unit and eight coprocessors on the same chip, working in parallel. It's optimized for high-speed networking and fast decoding of encrypted and compressed data – copy-protected video for HDTVs, for example. Game developers now have to figure out how best to unlock its powers. Sunlight on water, creatures half-hidden by fog, age lines on a human face – "for every pixel, you can do more to synthesize reality," says Steve Pearce, CTO of Activision. "But it's a big challenge – our engineers have to start thinking in a new way."

As a result, the Cell has caused a lot of headaches for developers. The Xbox 360, with its three-core PowerPC processor, has already made game development far more complicated and expensive than before. Tim Sweeney, cofounder of the North Carolina-based developer Epic Games, figures it will take at least twice the effort to fully exploit the PS3's potential as to take the Xbox 360 to the max. Until that happens, it's unlikely there'll be much discernable difference between games on the two platforms. "The Cell has more theoretical computing power," says Sweeney, "but it might be years before we see that reflected in actual performance. So it's a fundamental question whether the long-term direction in computing is with architectures like the Cell."

Blu-ray is equally fraught. For starters, the whole business of high-definition disc drives seems designed to invite cynicism. With DVD players now in 85 percent of US homes, sales fell in 2005 for the first time – so some manufacturers may need a next-gen disc player, but it's not clear consumers do. Especially after August 2005, when talks aimed at averting a standards war with Toshiba's rival HD-DVD format ended in a stalemate. Andy Parsons, who heads advanced product development at Pioneer USA (a Blu-ray supporter), says compromise was impossible: "It's kind of like saying, 'LCD and plasma – why don't you combine the two?'" True enough – but it's also true that Blu-ray offers Sony yet another chance to establish a proprietary format. During the '90s, a similar conflict over the original DVD ended with Sony's surrender and Toshiba's collection of most of the royalties on every DVD and DVD player sold. This time, Sony had the support of the big US computermakers, most of Hollywood, and nearly all the Asian consumer electronics giants – so why not call Toshiba's bluff?

Then there was the decision to build Blu-ray into the PlayStation 3. Sony's logic seemed ironclad: Not only would the hi-def drive's huge storage capacity allow for far-more-realistic and complex games, the PS3 would carry Blu-ray into millions of households and drive sales of HDTVs as well. As it turned out, however, Blu-ray has done nothing good for the PS3. Blu-ray was the main reason gamers weren't able to get the new machine last spring: The launch had to be postponed because the new format's digital rights management system did not yet satisfy every Hollywood studio. Blu-ray was also a big factor in the PS3's high price tag. Of course, with stand-alone Blu-ray players starting at $1,000, the PS3 is actually a bargain – if a Blu-ray player is what you really want. If not, $600 is a lot of money. "For rich, older people it's attractive," Utsumi observes. "But I don't know if they are gameplayers."

Kaz Hirai has heard it all before: the jitters about a new disc format, the complaints from game developers, the charges of hubris. When you're this far ahead – more than 200 million PlayStations sold worldwide, compared to just 30 million Xboxes – it comes with the territory. "With every generational change, there are going to be challenges for the development teams," he says. "If everybody said it's a piece of cake, that's telling me it's not a future-proof console, that it has no headroom to grow." And that remark at E3? "I wanted to say, look – we're the leadership company, and we take that responsibility seriously. The next huge leap in technology does not come until we launch PlayStation 3."

Hirai has a point: PlayStation 3 is as high tech as it comes in gameland. Thanks to the Cell, the console can transform raw computer code into imagery that looks startlingly, almost disturbingly, real – just ask the Tiger Woods simulacrum that popped up at E3. It can render virtual worlds of shimmering beauty and mesmerizing intensity, as Warhawk, the forthcoming update of Sony's classic flying shooter, amply demonstrates. Nonetheless, Hirai's upbeat assessment of the PS3's prospects seems dangerously at odds with the feeling in the videogame business. One prominent industry figure, not associated with a console maker, recalls having lunch a couple of months ago with a game-company development chief who wondered aloud if Sony was going to pull a Sega – that is, go from number one console manufacturer to out of the business.

At the root of Sony's precarious position – not just in the industry, but with gamers at large – is the company's overweening ambition. The PS3 is all about power. Sony has said curiously little about whether this amped-up Linux über-computer will actually be fun to play. Meanwhile, Nintendo wowed everyone at this year's E3 with the Wii, a console you can play simply by waving a wand at the screen. And Microsoft has upped the fun quotient by making it easy to play with all your buddies online.

Sony's response to online gaming is revealing. When Microsoft launched its Xbox Live online service in 2002, console gaming went from solo affair to global meet-up. Back then, Sony was actually the leader in online gaming, with over 400,000 subscribers to EverQuest, its massively multiplayer online game. But MMOGs were played on a computer, not a game console, and there was little communication between the San Diego-based EverQuest group and the Tokyo-based PlayStation group. Xbox Live now has more than 3 million subscribers worldwide; the only place it isn't big is Japan. Kutaragi never fully developed his PlayStation 2 online service, which still requires game publishers to run multiplayer titles on their own servers, because it wasn't something he saw as lacking.

Yet game developers certainly saw the need for technology that would take their games online. "It's a very important function," says Ichiro Otobe, chief strategist of the Tokyo-based game publisher Square Enix, "and we want it coming from the platform developer – otherwise, we have to build it ourselves." Eventually, PlayStation execs got the idea. For more than a year, San Diego and Tokyo have been working together to come up with an answer to Xbox Live. Even so, Hirai says, "the fundamental approach is different from Microsoft's. They name it Live and it's a big to-do. We look at it the other way: There's the entertainment experience, what you have in the box, all those good things, and – oh, by the way – we have an online component."

In Sony, Microsoft may have found the ideal opponent: large, slow, still fixated on hardware, still trying to find its footing in the networked world. When Microsoft decided to move into the game business, it was because a handful of execs saw an opportunity to do for gaming what Windows had done for personal computing: transform it from a hardware-defined industry to one governed by software. J Allard, the team's leader, argued that the success of DirectX – a Microsoft software suite that made it easy to program a PC – meant the company could simplify game development, too. Allard was just as committed to online services: If Microsoft could hook up players worldwide, it could change the nature of gameplay and make Xbox the way of the future.

"This business used to be about hardware and a cartridge you popped in," says Peter Moore, the new leader of Xbox, at his headquarters in an office park in Redmond, Washington. "But hardware is a tough business. You need it, but you also need great software and innovative services." A Liverpool native with an office full of autographed soccer memorabilia and a sleek new Aston Martin coupe in the parking lot, Moore knows the vulnerabilities of hardware all too well: He headed Sega of America when PlayStation 2 overwhelmed its Dreamcast machine and pushed Sega out of the business. Now he spends much of his time on what Microsoft calls "Dev Luv," an all-out effort to give game developers the software tools and engineering support they need to make Xbox the platform of choice.

Meanwhile, Xbox Live keeps gaining new features – most recently, user profiles that allow other players to check out your skill level and reputation within the community. (Too many "avoid this player" raps and you could find yourself shunned.) And because the Xbox 360 acts as a bridge to Windows Media Center PCs, the console can serve up music and video from your hard drive and play it on any device in the house. Still, Moore notes, "we're not driving the 360 as the hub of the home. Editing and manipulating media is better done with a keyboard and mouse."

Like the PlayStation 3, the Xbox 360 will get a hi-def disc drive, but it won't be built in, and it won't be Blu-ray. Last September, Microsoft and Intel announced they were throwing their weight behind Toshiba's HD-DVD, a move that prompted several companies from the Blu-ray camp to hedge their bet by accommodating both standards. Amir Majidimehr, Microsoft's point man on the decision, cites several reasons for siding with Toshiba, chief among them Blu-ray's move – largely at the behest of some copyright cops at Fox – to supplement the already draconian DRM mechanism adopted by both camps with yet another layer of protection. "We worry that this program could be hacked to do bad things," Majidimehr says, alluding to last year's Sony BMG fiasco. Blu-ray partisans say that's impossible – but in any case, Majidimehr argues, "if one or the other of these layers decides it doesn't like what you're doing, it won't let you play the movie." Was the competition with Sony a factor, too? "Of course," he says. "But our strategy is, people want to play games, so we build a game console. Sony is like, all or nothing. They're going to have a world of hurt waiting for them at the end of this year."

A couple of months ago, Howard Stringer and Ryoji Chubashi, Sony's president, reported to a luxury hotel in Tokyo's Shinagawa district to face 7,200 shareholders at Sony's annual meeting. It was not an enviable assignment. With the company in the red yet again in its most recent quarter, Japanese investors were in an unhappy mood. "I bought shares in mighty Sony," cried a woman whose holdings had lost nearly two-thirds of their value. "What are you going to do about this?"

It was hardly an unexpected question, and Stringer answered as best he could. Citing runaway ticket sales for Sony Pictures' The Da Vinci Code and the remarkable success of the Bravia digital TV line, he argued that Sony has entered a period of reemergence. But The Da Vinci Code will have no more lasting effect on the bottom line than earlier Sony blockbusters like Spider-Man, and Bravia relies on LCD technology that Sony ignored for years – until finally it had to partner with its Korean archrival Samsung to get back in the TV business. So while each was good news, they don't add up to a sign that mighty Sony is back.
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Stringer's new mantra is "Sony United." It's meant to get the company to perform in the digital world, to shed its antiquated ways and embrace network thinking. Most of all, though, it's meant to get Sony to perform as a single unit. Blu-ray is the first product to get the full treatment, not just from PlayStation but from the film and music divisions as well. This will be the test of the theory that was used to justify the billions Sony spent to get into the entertainment business in the '80s – that Sony could have won the Betamax-VHS war if only it had had enough "content."

Sony has had rah-rah moments in the past – too many of them. Before "Sony United" there was "Transformation 60," which cut 20,000 jobs in hopes of returning the company to health by its 60th anniversary. Before that there was "Symphony," which was supposed to get all the different divisions to play the same tune. But the megaproducts Sony has come up with, whether the AirBoard portable TV/Internet screen or the PS3, haven't sought to fill some simple, unrecognized need, as the Walkman had done; they've sought to do many things in the best way imaginable. Simply reading their spec sheets is enough to make you suspect they were designed not to please customers but to beat Microsoft. They make you long for Nintendo's Wii, a game console whose singular appeal is that it'll be fun to play.

The Wii is a product Sony might have developed in its heyday. It doesn't try to outdo anyone on graphics muscle or computational power – in fact, it opts out of the arms race entirely. Faced with a shrinking videogame market in Japan even as it was being elbowed into third place worldwide by Microsoft, Nintendo had to do something fresh, so company president Satoru Iwata and game designer Shigeru Miyamoto put their heads together and came up with a gyroscopic controller that looks and feels like a TV remote. The Wii transforms gameplay from an exercise in button-pushing to something you do by swinging the controller through the air – pretty nifty when you're engaged in swordplay. No wonder gamers use words like "wow" and "amazing" when they try it out.

All this makes you wonder if united is the way to go. In 30 years, Sony has transformed itself from a consistently profitable consumer electronics company with annual sales of $1.6 billion to a dangerously wobbly consumer electronics-entertainment-financial services behemoth 40 times that size. Sony Electronics needs to embrace the networked world, obviously, but does it really need to be allied with a Hollywood film studio and a consumer-wary global music label in a global campaign against Microsoft? Probably not. It just needs to make cool products for the century we live in.

That shareholder in Tokyo had the right idea: Bring back mighty Sony. Please. That doesn't mean gargantuan Sony or megalomaniac Sony or rule-the-universe Sony; it means a Sony that's fun again. And for God's sake, no more wars in the living room – not unless they're the kind we can play with our friends.


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PS3 launch delayed in all PAL territories (Europe/Australia/etc) and very low shipment numbers predicted
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6811
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Sony insisted for months that they would have a worldwide launch in all major territories. But suppliers, analysts, and industry insiders said the likelihood of 2 million PlayStation 3 units being ready at launch was very low.

Today Sony announced the delay of the PS3 launch in Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia from November 17, 2006 to March 2007. The North American date will remain November 17, and the Japan date will remain November 11.

The delay is officially due to the low production of blue laser diodes, used in Blu-Ray drives. It was recently revealed Sony is hoarding them for PS3 production instead of allowing them to be used in Blu-Ray movie players.

Sony reiterated the previous claim that it would ship 6 million PS3 units by the end of their fiscal year. However, Ken Kutaragi said launch shipments will be far lower than the original 2 million promised. Only 100,000 units will be available for the Japanese launch. North America gets much more with 400,000 units.

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too expensive, too BluRay, too Sony, too fucking late :)

:lol: ROFLMAO Nice one Sony - Say goodbye to Europe then :)


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I bet you hear about shortages on the news as if sony has sold millions, when infact the issue is they can barely make half a million world wide.

Its not just a month delay, that's 4 months and misses xmas completely. I suspect there'll be a heck of a lot more Xbox360s sold because of this screw up.

Really people have been saying it for well over a year, WE DON'T WANT BLURAY! Now Xbox360 is going to be out and have HD-DVD before PS3 is even launched :o

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So you want to order a PS3 eh ?

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imo your pretty moronic to buy this thing at launch at any price ;)

Some people have too much money. Take the two grand and make a sweet pc for Medival Total War II, bioshock, Enemy Territory, Battlefield, etc. and within the space of 6months you'll already have a set of new games that will be better than 5 years worth of console games across the board :lol:

ps. that's probably barring Zelda, RE5, and erm... yeah i think that will probably be it :lol:

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Sony has said it will use the "full scope of the law" to block the importing of PlayStation 3s (PS3) into Europe before its official release.


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A spokesman for Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) told the BBC: "The law is clear, and grey importing PS2, PSP or PS3 into the EU, without the express permission of SCEE is illegal.

"Therefore, we will utilise the full scope of the law to put a stop to any retailers who chose to do this."


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Poor Sony, I can feel their pain :lol:

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meh! i hate that kind of crap, its supply and demand... if a company can't or refuses to supply then other people will. I don't condone busting import dealers, i think its completely unfair. Nintendo are complete arseholes at this kind of thing.

Don't f*ck with europe, its that simple. If you want to beat import dealers, don't treat regions like shit. Same problem with 'film piracy', there's no excuse apart from pr and tampering with movies. At least there's hardware issues, but if other people buy the hardware and import it then its fair game. Same goes for supermarkets buying products cheap in europe and swiching the plug, they shouldn't be able to buy it cheaper in other countries!

Sony's even more hypocritical on the issue since they've announced its region free anyway, unless they flipflopped on that too :lol:

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