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Alien vs Predator 2: Requiem - opinions please https://forum.dead-donkey.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=10420 |
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Author: | PC_Arcade [ Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:41 pm ] | ||
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Author: | Geezus [ Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:51 pm ] |
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I must say that AvP 1 struck me as such a CAMP experience, I was actually anticipating Erich von Daniken to make a cameo surfacing in some mini U-boat . Seriously, The Alien universe could have been expanded much more elegantly. For me it all went wrong with alien3. Both Scott and Cameron had serious plans of expanding the background setting. But Cameron warned that AvP would be quote: "Abbot and Castello meet.... <universal> " I've always asked wether the alien was some dangerous creature caged & transported for study ( Natural ) or some state of the art bio-weapon (engineered). Thanks to the AvP incarnations, I now know that I never will know Well, not before the unavoidable remake |
Author: | d0c [ Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:13 am ] |
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just watched the trailer of avp2... jesus christ that sucked ass, the whole alien thing is ruined! this is the end -> |
Author: | bipbop13 [ Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:22 am ] |
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probably, since you hate it before you've seen the whole thing |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:30 pm ] |
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"make your own movie"... that makes you sound like one of those whiney nancy boys that do an absolutely shit rip that's nuked to buggery and then retort "its free" as an excuse for the shit rip. You have access to make something, you shouldn't squander that. Doesn't mean it has to be shit, or approached in any other way than your best or your wasting everyone's time. As I said; I'd be amazed if this was good based on all the material they've released. Really amazed. Doesn't mean its shit, I'd just be amazed it wasn't shit. Its not out, but would you be putting money down on its quality? I certainly wouldn't bet any money on it being good. |
Author: | PlagueH [ Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:57 pm ] | ||
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Author: | bipbop13 [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:12 am ] |
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amen. Spud....did I notice a tad of flaming there? And I'll put money down on the quality......but not on if YOU will like it or not. |
Author: | Dunkelheit [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:59 am ] |
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Lets just hope the story-line is better than the first AVP.. But seeing those "pred-alien" pics does shred most hope for that.. |
Author: | manzarek [ Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:17 pm ] |
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From trailer looks more gore than first one so i will see it |
Author: | Geezus [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:37 pm ] | ||||
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Serious for a moment, anyone seen it yet ? Already a thumb up review:
then again there's this fellow
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Author: | Slayer [ Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:41 pm ] | ||||
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I like this!
But I'm a bit disappointed by this. However, the first review made me more curious. I liked both Predator and Alien, but AvP sucked. Only the final shot of that movie was fun, but not worth waiting for for 89 mins. |
Author: | PlagueH [ Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:40 pm ] |
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I saw it and I liked it, terrible acting and terrible plot but in the end its a sci-fi action movie, what did you expect? |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:19 am ] |
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It was better than the first one, but it was still shit. As a horror film, its pathetic. Beyond feeble. Don't have any illusions here. As a scifi film, its retarded. There's little value here for geeks and the fantastically inclined. As part of either franchise, it destroys the timelines (then again, I consider Alien4 and AvP to have already f*cked things up from the shit cash-in perspective). As an action film its rather second rate and somewhat pointless. Its probably best classified as a "scifi action", but largely a no-brained action film. By itself; the story is utter crap, the acting is dreadful, the script is truely pathetic (but then that's two notches up from Paul W. "ALASKA!" S. Anderson), the gore is not very good at all (cgi chestbusters? Give me a break), the art work was gash which is especially dissappointing (barring that wonderful japanese poster i posted on the frontpage for some reason) and the character design was all messed up. The film has no flair to cover up these deeply lacking component parts, and its very much a second rate construction of a film. It tries to say; "look we are just like aliens, see we have an APC and we are 'homaging'/butchering the soundtrack" and "remember these dangling upside down bodies from the first time you saw predator, well we have them too", but obviously it just comes off as tacky. Otherwise comparisons to Predator or Alien movies just gets embarrassing, same as the first AvP really (and it comes down to a lower calibre of writing, producing and directing frankly). It was better than that utterly, utterly terrible AvP1 film; but that is neither saying very much, nor is it something i would ever buy (and I doubt i will even bother downloading it now I've seen it). If you consider the chance to make a film with a sizeable budget an opportunity to make something meaningful and in itself a privilege you shouldn't squander on some shitty movie, you're going to get pissed off. Mediocre at best If you did happen to enjoy this, its probably not going to be the last shite in this subfranchise |
Author: | Geezus [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 am ] |
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Still not seen it, but I figured as much. CGI gore Lord have mercy on that "the thing" remake. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:13 pm ] |
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I have no doubts I will enjoy watching it, I like any old crap and if it has Aliens or Predators then all the better. Don't get me wrong, just because I enjoy watching it does not mean it is a good film, if you get my drift. I enjoyed Zombie90:Extreme Pestilence in a strange way. The Thing remake has so much potential, like many remakes, but they will probably fuck that up too. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:24 pm ] |
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I don't think anything has that much potential if they simply pluck some random douches from MTV like they've done with this. There's been some great director's that have come through the music video router, but a minority |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:38 pm ] |
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Using nobody twats from MTV is often one of the contributing factors to a shitty remake. They frequently do not give a remake the justice it deserves. From a personal point of view I would like to see much more independence in the film making. Not sure that sounds right, what I mean is I wish they would get people to do these things that will make them how they were intended to be made, ignore what the fat cats say we want and give us what we really want. Take the remake of The Thing, that film is fine, in my eyes a classic, and I would be perfectly happy if they pretty much just copied the original and updated the FX, etc.... I would have a copy of that sit nicely in my collection. Anything other than that will probably never get purchased in the first place. My apologies if that sounds a bit strange, I am seriously tired and fairly mashed, my brain is currently having trouble keeping up with the rest of me. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:52 pm ] |
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Thing is, people like David Fincher who is a damn fine director started doing music videos (albeit after substantial training and working at ILM). I take a different view on remakes; they should be done to fix or perfect a theme. A remake isn't a good one unless there's some deeper point; political intrigue or social commentary, redefining the characters or the environment, or completely warping the originals sentiments. If you just patch the old one its meaningless. The problem is that's a risk and they need to trust the director's/writer's vision; instead they hire a stooge that churns out paint by numbers |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:41 pm ] |
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There are not many films I get deep into and actually look at the meanings, I prefer to just watch a movie for entertainment purposes. If it creates any kind of emotion then, to me, it has done its jobs. If I want character development and meanings etc I prefer to read a book. I have always loved reading, imagination creates results far superior to what any studio could ever produce. Then again it should as I imagine it how I want it to be, instead of stripping out the best bits just to get some mas market pap that is full of tits and explosions. |
Author: | Slayer [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:38 pm ] | ||
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There, that's what I think too. I totally agree when people shout: "Gore doesn't make a movie!", but hey, I like gore, and if the movie sucks, but the gore was great, then I still had a good time watching it. Of course I want to see something real good from time to time. |
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