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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: Video Games Violence Probed on Capitol Hill |
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The american congress is attacking the video gaming industry, which will have global consequences given the large american studios involved.
Quote: | The issue of video game violence is once again under scrutiny on Capitol Hill.
Today at 2:00 P.M. the Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection will convene a hearing on "Violent and Explicit Video Games: Informing Parents and Protecting Children."
The proceedings will be chaired by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL, seen at left).
"In response to controversy over violent or sexual situations in video games, the industry established a self-regulatory organization to apply ratings and provide advertising guidelines," Stearns said in a statement on his website.
"Yet in one instance, the game 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas' had hidden content with scenes of explicit sex. In addition, the Federal Trade Commission found that video games labeled 'Mature' routinely were marketed to children under 17. Our goal is to ensure that parents have information on the content of their children's games and that these children are protected from inappropriate content and marketing."
Scheduled to testify are:
-Lydia Parnes, Federal Trade Commission (likely in regard to the FTC's Hot Coffee probe)
-Gary Severson, a Wal-Mart executive
-Douglas Lowenstein, ESA president
-Patricia Vance, ESRB president
-Dr. Kimberly Thompson, Harvard School of Public Health
-Dr. Warren Buckleitner, Ph.D., Editor, Childrens Technology Review
-Dr. David Walsh, Ph.D., National Institute on Media and the Family president
Subcommittee members include at least two congressman who were active on the Hot Coffee issue. In July, 2005 Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) and Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA) co-sponsored a congressional resolution which led to the FTC's recently-completed probe of the marketing practices of Take-Two Interactive and Rockstar Games. |
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/306167.html#cutid1Listen as ESRB's Patricia Vance is Grilled by Congresshttp://media.libsyn.com/media/gamepolit ... ompson.mp3Sparks Fly at Video Game Hearing on Capitol HillQuote: | Yesterday's hearing before the House Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection was a contentious one, especially for the video game industry and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
Among witnesses, ESRB president Patricia Vance came under the heaviest fire. It was clearly a day on which the assembled members of Congress opted to use the bully pulpit to drive home their collective frustrations with the video game industry.
Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-FL, seen at left) opened the hearing by paying homage to the creativity, fun and educational value of games. For the industry, it was all downhill from there. Stearns, like virtually all of his committee colleagues, was harshly critical of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Stearns also called on the FTC to make a full report to Congress on its recently-completed Hot Coffee investigation, a theme that was repeated by other subcommittee members during the hearing.
Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton (R-TX), who identified himself as a Civilization IV fan, chimed in on the FTC-bashing, calling the organization "tardy" in reporting to Congress. Barton added, "I am fed up with games like Grand Theft Auto being marketed under false pretenses."
Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) was also angry. "I guess I thought the FTC would have had some more teeth than they apparently have... I'm not at all happy with the consent decree... In essence there are no consequences. None... I would like to have thought that (Take-Two and Rockstar) would have been able to be fined for millions of dollars for the trash they put out across this country."
Testifying about the rating system, ESA president Doug Lowenstein said, "It may not be perfect, but we have really made a commitment to working with parents." Lowenstein also showed a video clip of several non-controversial best-sellers, including Tiger Woods Golf, Age of Empires III, and The Sims 2. The committee seemed to grow impatient with the ESA video, however, and it was ended prematurely.
Lowenstein repeated a line he has used to good effect previously, saying, "Defining this industry based on its most controversial titles would be like defining the film industry based on Kill Bill, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Natural Born Killers..."
ESRB president Patricia Vance raised a spirited defense of the ESRB system, saying, "Nobody takes these issues more seriously than we do." Vance's testimony, however, did not play as well when the ESRB president took verbal shots at two witnesses scheduled to testify after her - Harvard's Kim Thompson and Dr. David Walsh of the National Institute on Media and the Family (NIMF). Thompson, of course, was co-author of a recent study which found that ESRB content descriptors were inconsistently applied. Walsh gave the ESRB a failing grade on his organization's 2005 Annual Video Game Report Card.
For her part, researcher Kim Thompson suggested that the ESRB might do well to actually play the games which it rates (the ESRB relies primarily on game publishers to tell the ratings body what type of content games contain). Thompson added she would like to see the ESRB reveal how it performs the mechanics of the rating process. She also took issue with Patricia Vance's criticism of her research and definitely landed some blows.
"For the record," Thompson said, "I would like to emphasize that the ESRB has never provided any scientific basis for its allegations about flaws in our methods and we were very surprised to see the ESRB make such statements. We ask the ESRB to provide evidence of this assertion and we believe their assertion of 'flaws' in our methods is a very serious scientific allegation."
"The ESRB in my opinion should focus much more on insuring the quality of its information and less on promoting its rating system... and finally one of the most important things the ESRB needs to do is distinguish real, peer-reviewed scientific studies from non-publicly available market research that it commissions."
Witness Dr. Warren Buckleitner expressed support for the ESRB system, saying, "As researchers we need to raise the level of dialogue by citing references and trying the games ourselves first-hand, observing real kids, and grounding our opinions in firm data."
During his testimony, Dr. David Walsh of NIMF, among other points, expressed concern about the upcoming Naughty America game and raised alarms about a possible alliance between the video game industry and the porn business. Commenting on the recent Sex in Games Conference, Walsh said, "Last week, for the first time ever, there was a meeting between video game developers and the pornography industry." He also called for a universal rating system for all media. "The present alphabet soup is just confusing," he said.
During the questioning which followed the witnesses' prepared testimony, subcommittee Chairman Stearns grilled ESRB boss Vance over how games get rated, why there are so few Adults Only (AO) ratings, and whether there was an inherent conflict of interest in relying on content submissions by publishers in the rating process. Although Vance held her own, Stearns' sharp questioning of the ESRB president was a clear indication of Congressional mistrust of the industry and its rating process. |
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/306226.html#cutid1Game Hearing Gets NastyQuote: | Subcommittee: "We are very disappointed in you, Game Industry. Go to time out!" by Daemon Hatfield
June 15, 2006 - At yesterday's hearing entitled Violent and Explicit Video Games: Informing Parents and Protecting Children, members of the House Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection took turns taking jabs at the videogame industry, the ESRB, and even the FTC.
Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-FL) began by recognizing the creativity, fun and educational value of games. The sweet talk ended there, however, as it seems Stearns is still not over the whole Hot Coffee incident. Rockstar Games and the FTC recently reached a settlement on the issue, but that wasn't good enough for the Chairman. He called on the FTC to submit a full report to Congress on the settlement.
Other Subcommittee members aired grievances with the FTC as well. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton (R-TX), who claims to be a Civilization IV fan, said the organization has been "tardy" in reporting to Congress, adding: "I am fed up with games like Grand Theft Auto being marketed under false pretenses."
Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) also took a turn wagging his finger. "I guess I thought the FTC would have had some more teeth than they apparently have... I'm not at all happy with the consent decree... In essence there are no consequences. None... I would like to have thought that (Take-Two and Rockstar) would have been able to be fined for millions of dollars for the trash they put out across this country."
In essence, the settlement between Rockstar and the FTC forewent any fines at the present time, instead setting guidelines the developer must follow in the future.
ESA president Doug Lowenstein testified in defense of the ESRB rating system, saying, "It may not be perfect, but we have really made a commitment to working with parents." He showed a video of several best-selling games that couldn't be described as offensive, including Tiger Woods Golf, Age of Empires III, and The Sims 2. The Committee didn't have time for any of that nonsense, apparently, and turned off the video before it was over.
Lowenstein added, "Defining this industry based on its most controversial titles would be like defining the film industry based on Kill Bill, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Natural Born Killers..."
Two witnesses were called to speak out against the game industry: Harvard's Kim Thompson, who was co-author of a recent study finding the ESRB content descriptors were inconsistently applied, and Dr. David Walsh of the National Institute on Media and the Family, which gave the ESRB a failing grade on its 2005 Annual Video Game Report Card.
Thompson suggested that the ESRB might actually play the games it rates. Currently, the ESRB relies primarily on game publishers to tell them what type of content their games contain. Thompson added she would like to see the ESRB disclose exactly how it determines the ratings for games. She also took issue with comments ESRB President Patricia Vance made earlier criticizing the results of Thompson's study.
"For the record," Thompson said, "I would like to emphasize that the ESRB has never provided any scientific basis for its allegations about flaws in our methods and we were very surprised to see the ESRB make such statements. We ask the ESRB to provide evidence of this assertion and we believe their assertion of 'flaws' in our methods is a very serious scientific allegation. The ESRB in my opinion should focus much more on ensuring the quality of its information and less on promoting its rating system... And finally, one of the most important things the ESRB needs to do is distinguish real, peer-reviewed scientific studies from non-publicly available market research that it commissions."
Dr. David Walsh of NIMF expressed concern about the upcoming Naughty America game and confessed his fears about the videogame industry getting in bed with the porn industry. Pointing out the recent Sex in Videogames Conference in San Francisco, Walsh said, "Last week, for the first time ever, there was a meeting between video game developers and the pornography industry."
In truth, the list of speakers at the conference could hardly be called representative of the game industry, featuring no one from the major hardware or software developers, nor any major publishers.
Walsh also called for a universal rating system for all media. "The present alphabet soup is just confusing," he said.
Vance announced the ESRB would starting imposing fines on industry members of up to $1 million for the "most egregious offences," and could suspend publisher's access to the ratings system. Most retailers will not carry games without a rating.
"Last year, a widely publicized incident involving Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas showed how effective and forceful an enforcement system we have at our disposal," said Vance. "I submit there is no other industry self-regulatory system willing or capable of imposing such swift and sweeping sanctions on its own members, which in this particular case resulted in the removal of a top-selling product from the market and a major loss of sales." |
http://wii.ign.com/articles/712/712897p1.html
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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The american's hysteria over the hot coffee mod is hilarious
It's hardly "hidden content with scenes of explicit sex" it's a stub of unused code with a laughably un-sexy "sex scene", if it was a film it would be a pg-13 at most.
As for the whole "games and porn" thing, again I'm not sure what the problem is. It's OK for the porn industry to have naked people, but not the games industry??!!
So what if they met? I once met a conservative politician - doesn't make me a bigoted, hypocritical asshole
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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LOL stupid wankers. I bet that aint all the probing that goes on there.
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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The ironic thing about hot coffee is that its only available if you modify the software. I can modify any software and insert a penis in it, how's that the developers fault? They removed those from the game, and yet the ESRB changed the rating. Same thing happened to the new elder scrolls someone has modified it and added a naked skin... big whoopie doo.
I'm amazed how the americans don't even bat an eyelid at extreme violence but if someone swears or touches a boobie they practically have a lynching.
I guess its down to the puritan rotten core the nation is built upon.
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Lowenstein also showed a video clip of several non-controversial best-sellers, including Tiger Woods Golf, Age of Empires III, and The Sims 2. |
I swear to god i had a patch for "The sims 1" that allowed me to see people showering FULLY NAKED!!!
This whole thing reminds me of all of the PMRC nonsense back in the eighties...
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Lowenstein added, "Defining this industry based on its most controversial titles would be like defining the film industry based on Kill Bill, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Natural Born Killers..." |
Props to Lowenstein for tipping the hat to TCM.
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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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TCM isn't actually that bad though, so its kind of a low blow. Kill Bill and Natural Born Killers purposely glamourise violence. A better choice would have been robocop, or something like that.
I don't think they'll have actually seen TCM by that comparison.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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What Lowenstein said highlights the pathetic shifting trends in outrage. 20 years ago, the tabloids jump on the video boom, and the whole banning/nasties thing comes into affect. 40 years ago, Rock an Roll was the Devils music. Etc. These cockwits love to give the pretence of being moral guardians, yet should be spending their time earning our money by addressing REAL problems, and possibly questioning the acts of their own people more closely. Morons. Besides, as we all know, it's counter productive. Look what the 'PMRC' did to boost record sales of otherwise largely ignored bands. I LOVE violent games, yet I'm a pacifist. If right wing politicians were around 20000 years ago, they'd ban Ug's latest display of explicit cave paintings. Oh well, I'm just waffling. Ta.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, there's an increasing amount of states passing unconstitutional laws banning / censoring the sale of "violent games" as they "might get into the hands of young children".
The video games industry is suing in every case, just thought i'd bring this up since a lot of people i talk to don't even know this is happening in their own state.
Here's an excellent website:
http://www.gamepolitics.com/
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I think you're 100% right perkin2000. Basically politicians are fucking assholes.
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LOL lets blame Holywood for all the pirates.
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I think the americans politians don´t know english very well, isn´t it? Games don´t kill people, Guns do!
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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actually... Guns don't kill people, Rappers do.
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I always thought the bullets did the killing?
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If a rapper still stand there, screaming "bang" will not kill anyone
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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vnorske wrote: | If a rapper still stand there, screaming "bang" will not kill anyone |
That's how tupac got one in the back.
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Bad heart, isn´t it? Lol
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