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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:11 pm  Post subject: Halloween vs Hellraiser
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AKA Pinhead vs. Michael Myers?

Can anyone verify this grapevine talk?


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as i already said
Michael Myers does not feel the pain...
so Pinhead has nothing to do with him... no fun...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:00 pm  Post subject: Guess, it's coming...
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August 21: Michael Myers vs. Pinhead?!?
Creature Corner reports that following the smash success of FREDDY VS. JASON, Dimension is scrambling to line up a screenwriter for a movie that would pit HALLOWEENs Michael Myers against HELLRAISERs Pinhead. The studio owns the rights to both franchises (with direct-to-video seventh and eighth HELLRAISERs freshly in the can and a ninth HALLOWEEN in development), and theres no word yet on a storyline or how it would fit into the respective mythologies. HOUSE OF THE DEADs Dave Parker pitched such a project, titled HELLOWEEN, to Dimension a while back and hopes to meet with the execs again about it.

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Helloween: This has to be one of the more silly ideas I've heard since FvJ hit big. Seems that according to Creature Corner, Dimension Films is scrambling to find a way to bring its two big 80's horror movie icons together in a duel - in other words yes its Halloween's Michael Myers vs. Hellraiser's Pinhead. This nutty idea however isn't exactly new - "House of the Dead" scribe Dave Parker once pitched a concept to Dimension involving the pair and in fact spent his own money putting together a trailer to show what it could look like - Parker may try again now it seems. Thanks to 'Johnny Butane' & 'Rotten'.

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Helloween: Latest wild rumour - "Talk is hinting that shooting on the Pinhead/Michael Myers teamup flick might begin as early as Spring '04 for release next Halloween. Not only that, Clive Barker might be back to do the script"

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Recently, Parker talked to Creature-Corner about Dimension's plans to combine the HELLRAISER and HALLOWEEN franchises FREDDY VS. JASON style, a concept he first pitched a few years ago. Dimension, which had been keeping the project under wraps, wasn't too happy about the revelation. "When I started working on this pitch, FREDDY VS. JASON was still in development hell, I think '95 or '96' it was before HALLOWEEN 6 had opened," Parker explains. "I was a big fan of FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN and HOUSE OF FRANKENSTEIN and the other monster rallies and was like, 'Oh, God, that would be so much fun in a geeky sort of way.' So I was thinking about what other ones you could do feasibly, and obviously Dimension had Pinhead and Michael Myers. So I started thinking about how it might work and came up with a take that wasn't 100 percent true to both mythologies, but there was something there that definitely worked.

"It explained certain things about Michael Myers and why he is what he is," Parker continues, "and that led to opening the doors for Pinhead to come in. My thing was, how come Michael Myers could never die? It's obviously taking some liberties and I'm not saying this is the greatest idea ever or anything like that; I was just trying to come up with a plausible way to get these two guys together to fight. So, why does he all of a sudden go out and kill his sister in HALLOWEEN? He's trick-or-treating in a flashback and he goes up to this one house and at this time, I was really trying to tie it into everything that was put into the HALLOWEEN films. So he goes into the house and sees the guy with the black boots, who gives him the box. He opens it and the Lord of the Dead "Sam Hain" escapes from hell and takes over Michael's body because he doesn't want to be in hell. Now, Sam Hain is who the Shape is, and that's why he can't be killed.

"So, the story takes place when people try to destroy the Myers house and they find the box hidden between the walls. Of course, they open it and Pinhead shows up, and it's Halloween and it's the Myers house, so Michael shows up because there are people there and Pinhead recognizes that Michael is Sam Hain because he can feel it, which begins this whole battle in the real world. And of course, the third act takes them all to hell."

To sell the idea to Dimension, Parker didn't just come up with a pitch, but used a lot of audiovisual aids as well. "I took footage from HELLRAISER movies and HALLOWEEN movies and cut a trailer," Parker says. "Then I had a computer guy do a final piece, which was the skull pumpkin from HALLOWEEN II moving in and then Pinhead's pins emerge out of it. That was my image to sell it with. I showed this trailer to the guy who was then in charge of development at Dimension. He was like, 'That's really interesting stuff, but we're not ready to do that sort of movie at this time.' So I was like, 'OK, at least I got to show it.'

"When FREDDY VS. JASON came out," Parker continues, "after the opening weekend, I had a friend who had met with the new people at Dimension, and just made a call to see if they were interested, because FREDDY VS. JASON just made all this money. They said no,they weren't interested in doing this kind of project. The weekend went by and Monday, my friend heard that they were actually pursuing it now, but they had their own writers. That's when I called Ryan and said, 'Look, let me just plead my case here. I'd done this artwork' and I gave it to Ryan. Dimension's not ripping me off, it's a natural thing. I'm sure it crossed some peoples' minds there before. I re-called and my whole case was, 'Can't you just meet with us?' And that's what went up on Creature Corner, and Dimension supposedly got really upset and said that I would never meet on the project. I guess that's a learning curve of how to or not to pursue something. I don't think it's the greatest idea in the world, but it is an obvious one. I'm not saying I'm the only person who has the right take on this project, but I still have an affinity and a 'like' for those characters and the mythologies and no offense, I think Dimension doesn't care. They think [the franchises are] moneymaking machines, and that's what they care about. They don't care about the mythology of the HELLRAISER series, and that's what made it interesting. Those movies went downhill once they got rid of any involvement with Clive and Pete Atkins. Pete had a sensibility that made those first couple of sequels at least feel like HELLRAISER movies. They don't even feel like HELLRAISER movies now. They feel like JACOB'S LADDER and they're just throwing Pinhead in after the fact. I mean, I think the HELLRAISER comic books found so much more to be mined from this stuff. The fact that Dimension didn't seem to care at all is very disappointing."


Just what I've read. but looks like now that it's getting greenlight... just like this one:

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It's true. FANGORIA has learned that New Line Cinema is seriously considering adding Ash (Bruce Campbell) to the inevitable FREDDY VS. JASON Round Two that the studio has in development. This is not some Internerd rumor, though the notion has been tabled out there in horror fandom for months. Sure, we've heard about other permutations for a follow-up to the blockbuster rumble (everything from FREDDY VS. JASON VS. LEATHERFACE to VS. CHUCKY to VS. MICHAEL), but the Ash scenario, evidently, is the only one that New Line is treating as a legitimate idea. We'll keep you updated.
http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=1530



Personally, I hate all these 'Versus' movie ideas almost as much as all the damned remakes. Aliens Vs. Predator is the only one that might even work, in my opinion. Can't understand what's wrong with these american movie industry people. Remake after remake and then couple vs movies and some other shit, like a few dozen sequels. Nothing original :rage:

Guess, it's just me though...

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i am looking forward to this, i think it has some good potential. sounds more interesting then freddy vs jason, though i do fear pinhead and myers will matrix kungfu fight like they put in f vs j.
i would prefer a 'pinhead vs the house from darkness'.

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thank you.

Didn't search for Helloween.=)

I'm stolked.=)


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HOUSE OF THE DEADs Dave Parker pitched such a project


Holy fucking shit no way, this film will bite if that's the case

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:24 am  Post subject: Aliens Vs. Predator
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Ok, I take back that AvP comment. Judging by this script review, the movie sounds like a complete disaster. "ARGH, No! God nooo....! Don't spoil this one." :rage:

And this news report doesn't say anything positive.
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Alien vs. Predator: This past weekend's "Ghetto Con", better known as the Los Angeles Comic Book and Science Fiction Convention, ran a 5-minute pre-production presentation on Fox's upcoming flick and Countingdown has the details: "They mentioned that 'not a frame of film has been shot yet', but shooting starts next week in Prague. They also mentioned that this tape played at their con last month, so it's possible that you know about this presentation already, but I hadn't heard much about it so far, so I figured no one would mind if I provided a quick recap of what was shown. The whole piece was narrated by director Paul WS Anderson ("Resident Evil").
As far as the story, we are told that in the past, the Predators used the the Aliens for hunting purposes, as a right of passage for the young Predator to become men (er, for lack of a better term). We see one such battle play out in an Aztec temple. Supposedly, the Predators were seen as Gods to the Aztec people (some shades of 'Stargate', it would seem), who built them their temples for worshipping and battle purposes. They showed some storyboards of one Predator defeating an Alien, holding its severed head in victory, as well as some boards where three Predator are overrun by thousands of Aliens, and upon realizing that they have clearly lost the battle, they activate their self-destruct. This is why so many ancient civilizations have been wiped out; Predator hunting failures.
Flash forward to present day, where a group of scientists have found one of the ancient Predator temples under an Antarctic icecap. The story revolves around 5 "teenage" Predators who are set to undergo their right of passage with the Aliens at this newly discovered temple, with the humans caught in the middle. There was also some brief discussion about the Predators testing out their new weapons technology. The video showed one example, a modified shuriken throwing star (apparently this weapon is 'in' again after 'Underworld'), which starts as a small handle with a trigger and expands into 6 elongated razor blades. This was actually pretty cool looking. Anyways, that pretty much rounded out the presentation. They quickly flashed some shots edited together from the two respective franchises, and rounded it out with a tagline (which may or may not be the final one), "Whoever wins...we lose." All in all, hard to tell too much about the final product from the small amount shown".
Thanks to 'Agent G'.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news03/031021.htm


What they think this is? Stargate 2? PG-13? No. This should be horror/sci-fi/action in a way of first two Alien and Predator movies. Probably soon after the movie there's AvP TV-series and whatever.

If they just would have taken the plot of AvP2 game it would have been alot better. Or done this script ,for example. In my opinion that was a great script for AvP movie. Not excellent but very good.

Ah, at least I don't have anymore any hopes up for that movie :P

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Don't beleive everything you read or hear..I mean...how long has Bruce Campbell hinted at making a Evil Dead 4 and then say he isn't interested and then the next week says him and Raimi are in talks about it?
To be quite honest Pinhead would just not fit in any of these movies and the addition of ash to the mix doesn't really give me that warm and fuzzy feeling.
If the piece of fodder that made that abysmal house of the dead is in the Directors chair then I think many of you can imagine the results.
This concludes my rant of the day :mrgreen:


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Quite frankly the A vs. P thing I have been waiting on forever I will see no matter what the reviews are.Fuck the game storyline...how about just using the comic storyline...but I am just one voice in a billion and they will indeed probably royally fuck this film up...one can only hope for the best.I dought this will come out a pg-13 movie since both series's went all out with the gore factor.But you never know...if only I was a director...then you would see soem real gore and Mayhem.


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there's a trailer for Aliens vs predator before the re-release of Alien: Director's Cut here, which is out on friday. Should be able to have a gander see what's going on.

Be aware, Matrix revolution and Star Wars Episode 1 trailers made those films look shit hot :wink:

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Gonna go see that ehh spud..I am thinking I will too..even though I have seen Alien countless amounts of times...Not sure what the added scenes entail but since I never got to see it in the theatre anyways i say what the hell and do it.
Also want to see those other 2 trailers you were mentioning...chomping at the bit to see them all. :mrgreen: Especially the new Star Wars.


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BTW, Alien is actually 21 seconds shorter. Several scenes were removed and several scenes were inserted.

So it seems Ridley Scott has tried to make it as good as possible and not simply stuck in new scenes ala. all the other 'remasters'

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:shock: Which scenes were removed?

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More about AvP: Friday, October 31st 2003
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Alien vs. Predator: Well the cat is definitely out of the bag on the "Alien vs. Predator" movie - two days ago there was mutterings about finally seeing something from this but material wise the sole things out there were two pieces of artwork I posted on Monday - a logo art (which was correct) and a sort of profile image (which turned out to be from a videogame). In 48 hours things have changed quickly. First off the cab rank, Apple.Com posted up the new teaser trailer which whilst not showing any new footage it does get word of the product out there. Soon after, two one-sheets for the piece ended up online over at that biggest of marketplaces - eBay. If someone is already trying to hock 'em, it must mean they're at least out there and ready to thrive. That isn't all however. A few hours after the teaser trailer went up, so did a sweet little featurette for the film - more than likely the one that's been screening around various convention centres in the last few weeks. Here's a look at that as well. Thanks to 'Brad', 'Danimal', 'DIM', 'BD', 'Tyler', 'NashPreds99' & 'The Fatfish Returns'

Alien vs. Predator - Trailer
Alien vs. Predator - Featurette
http://www.avp-movie.com/

Okay, and now I'm all exited about this movie again. :mrgreen:
Have to say that those didn't look that bad at all (mainly: the featurette/director report). I'm big fan of both series so guess I like this no matter what. Just little disappointed that the events happen in Earth and all those "Stargate-connections" Pyramids, Temples, Antarctica etc..

So what you all think about this flick now? Any potential or is this just going to suck big time?

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OMG, superman fights batman too.

Have a look at this thread. Vs" movies you'd like to see?


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:shock: Which scenes were removed?

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I haven't seen yet, but I believe several shots that seemed ropey, including the man in the suit moments, and the bit where the alien is blown out of the air lock and looks a bit shitty *i think*


Back in is the scene where ripley finds everyone caccooned like we see in Aliens. If you have the first DVD release it's an extra :)

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AKA Pinhead vs. Michael Myers?

Can anyone verify this grapevine talk?


Still waiting for this one? Bad news: :(
" Celluloid Shockers did a little investigative work at the Hellraiser reunion in the UK and found out some really interesting news regarding the Helloween project, "Clive Barker and John Carpenter were good to go. Clive had the agreement papers, was ready to put pen to paper and then got a call from Bob Weinstein (Which is rare) and told Clive that they no longer wanted to do it. Now if you can imagine the two egos of Weinstein and Barker clashing with fury... you can get the idea of how that conversation ended. Now Barker is pissed off, Doug is pissed off and John Carpenter is pissed off that Mustapha Akkad has changed his mind on the project. So there you go. The rumors of a Clive Barker script directed by John Carpenter was 100% TRUE !"

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Mustapha Akkad :evil:

Thats MEGA LAME you get Clive Barker, John Carpenter, Doug Bradley in on the project and then sack it off!

What, did you think that they would come up with some lame ass script, then direct some lame ass film, and act like lame asses?

I think not!

I wouldn't be suprised if we saw the most ludicrous film concept being used instead . i.e

Halloween Vs Care Bears
PinHead Vs. S Club 7

Hollywierd indeed :matrix:

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