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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain (2001)? Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)? Pan's Labyrinth (2006)? The Orphanage (2007)?
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:13 pm Posts: 7987
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Pan's Labyrinth is not drama, it's a fairytale told in a very beautiful way. When I saw Amelie it must have been 2002 or 2003, which is also many years ago. Eternal Sunshine is on my (tremendous) "to watch" list.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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its a fairy tale world played out through a human drama. Probably why it wont the hugo award for best drama 
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:28 pm Posts: 4096 Location: Somewhere between dimensions, waiting.
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I watch horror and sci-fi, not alot of other stuff.
One thing I can say is that I fucking hate drama and/or romance.
I mean I hate them with a vengeance, like I want ot destroy all copies of those types of films and then burn the cast alive.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:13 pm Posts: 7987
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spudthedestroyer wrote: | its a fairy tale world played out through a human drama. Probably why it wont the hugo award for best drama  |
Since there are so many people calling the wrong names on stuff, I don't look at the awards to see what type of movie it is. I watch it and then decide by myself. I think it's more of a fairytale than a drama. There are dramatic scenes, but still...
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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the fantasy of that film is all a response to how generally crappy she is being treated, its a fairytale sure but that's not a genre anyway... I won't hit you with a helmet, but i think there's a strong case for the film being called a drama as there is for it being called a fantasy  If you start applying narrow logic to things, Eternal Sunshine is a scifi, Amelie is a "foreign film" and The Orphanage is just a horror, and i necessarily wouldn't agree with any of those claims. They are both true and miss the point of the movies on one fell swoop  So I usually resign myself to allocating a main genre, and then attaching supplementary genres below them. I'm not an advocate of allocating a single genre based on a single bit of content, as you might have guessed when i take exception to people calling Alien a scifi instead of a horror. It is, if you choose to miss the point... if you know what i mean? 
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:13 pm Posts: 7987
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Yup, I do. I call a lot of movies scifi/horror for that same reason  I'll go with the fantasy then, since it is more important to me in that film than the drama. The fantasy part made it beautiful to look at for me, which is one of the strongpoints in this film for me.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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Fair game, just one for your consideration, have you ever thought about genres as a descriptor of a movie? Or more food for thought, have you consider that both fantasy and scifi are the weakest of genre descriptors and infact can be argued to be not real genres at all? Action, Horror, Thriller, Drama all talk about pace and content of the story and do more to classify expectations, whilst fantasy and scifi cling to the presence of objects, or locations to justify themselves as genres, almost like cataloguing metadata. That's why they nearly always become underling classifiers of the actual 'big wig' genres, and why they don't really exist as bonified genres. Scifi, fantasy and things like westerns don't seem as deep or overriding a description, in fact you can say something is a scifi and it means absolutely nothing to expectations and can even be completely misleading. Say something is an action scifi and you now have much more clarity because the action tells you the type of movie, and the scifi merely goes to classify itself as a subgenre. Say alien is a scifi and you have no idea what its about, say its a horror scifi and... well you get the picture  Just another reason why I don't like hanging on checklists of the presents of spaceships when describing a movie... back to alien again i guess 
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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Blood Sucking Freak Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:58 pm Posts: 159 Location: Birmingham, England
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Blockbuster I work at class Pan's as WORLD
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:49 am Posts: 2624 Location: Chernobyl
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Jack wrote: | Blockbuster I work at class Pan's as WORLD |
gibberish? 
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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lol, yeah that was my dig a bit earlier on Quote: | Amelie is a "foreign film" |
What would that even mean? I think they need to replace "world" and "foreign film" sections with a "you'll need to read you dumb f*ck" section 
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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BadBugs wrote: | Jack wrote: | Blockbuster I work at class Pan's as WORLD |
gibberish?  |
I think that was supposed to be some kind of legible comment. It just ended up wasting bandwidth with pointless junk that has no relevance to the conversation. Just like this post is.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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(the) Blockbuster (store) I work at class(ify) Pan's (labrynth) as WORLD (cinema, and thus file it in the world section).
better?
So many people get turned off by subtitles, all the movies have big stickers on, twice the size of a fifty pence. when they bring it up I always say "you know this film is subtitled?" and 90% the time they say "oh....noo....I'll get abother one".
2 things, learn to read! and by that I mean read subtitles and read the box cover.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:13 pm Posts: 7987
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Ah, so UK people are worse at reading than Dutch? I'm happy I teach Dutch kids 
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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TaKYoN wrote: | One thing I can say is that I fucking hate drama and/or romance.
I mean I hate them with a vengeance, like I want ot destroy all copies of those types of films and then burn the cast alive. |
Wow. I'm switching you to decaf Tak. I also really dislike romance and especially romantic comedy. Worthless IMHO. As for drama it really depends. I tend to watch the really depressing dramas like Remains of the Day. I have to be in the right mood to watch such things.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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spudthedestroyer wrote: | Fair game, just one for your consideration, have you ever thought about genres as a descriptor of a movie? Or more food for thought, have you consider that both fantasy and scifi are the weakest of genre descriptors and infact can be argued to be not real genres at all?
Action, Horror, Thriller, Drama all talk about pace and content of the story and do more to classify expectations, whilst fantasy and scifi cling to the presence of objects, or locations to justify themselves as genres, almost like cataloguing metadata. That's why they nearly always become underling classifiers of the actual 'big wig' genres, and why they don't really exist as bonified genres.
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I've always taken the name Sci-Fi fairly literally when I think of describing movies. Science Fiction - or science that has not been proven or as of yet real. So, I would put Donnie Darko in the sci-fi genre (for it's time travel motif which runs pretty strong throughout the movie). But you do have a point about sci-fi being fairly weak as a genre. I think that is more the fault of movie makers desire to use special effects and fancy props to 'wow' the audience. I love Star Wars, but much of it is eye candy. Some sci-fi movies are harder to look past the objects and get to the theories behind them.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:28 pm Posts: 4096 Location: Somewhere between dimensions, waiting.
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Donnie Darko was a film that surprised me. I thought it would be crap but the wifey stuck it on and I actually really got into it.
One of those times when I think back and it is a good memory.
I will probably never watch it again though.
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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Lunatic Of Gods Creation Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:17 am Posts: 882 Location: your nightmares
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i love grease, steel magnolias and um...the sound of music
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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The Ancient One Joined: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:49 am Posts: 2624 Location: Chernobyl
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bag woman wrote: | the sound of music |
Could that be coz you live in wales & you got singin in the valleeees? As well as the hills being alive with the sound of erm, sheep baaaaaing music? 
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Im No Less of a Man but... |
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Lunatic Of Gods Creation Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:17 am Posts: 882 Location: your nightmares
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and maybe, just maybe i'm a sheep shagger too....ewwww
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