Seeing as how badly I went off topic in the other thread, thought I would start one here.

Could you please answer the poll and say what country you are in, and if applicable, and ofcourse if you want to, your experiences.

i must choose yes on this one... i have started donate my spearm for money... now i can spread my cells without actually have to go thru a custody case that will make the woman rich and they can sit on their asses and just wait for the money to arrive to their bank accounts... now i am earning big money on desperate lesbian woman that want children. i am not giving my spearm away in a box, i give it away the normal way if you know what i am talking about anyway now i have alot of lesbian woman queued outside my house desperalty begging for me to do them, life coulnd be better...

Sounds like you got it made mate, keep up the good work on behalf of the males.

Most definately yes,I live in a state where if a man is invovled with a woman for a matter of 3 months then the mother of a child regardless if the child is biologicaly his or not..can get sued for child support.Washington is probably the biggest state involving single,white,unwed mothers...it is a fucking travesty..I pay child support for my child that I haven't seen in over 10 goddamned years because the mom decided she would just up and move and live in Floridia...the basic state answer for anything you bring to Office of support enforcement is this..."shut up and pay".A fathers right is nil..at least here..not sure what it is in Europe but it stinks here.I could bring up so many instances of shit that involve the state and their shit assed laws regarding parenting it would be longer than I would want to go into..I have made sure my daughter is on birth control since she was old enough to have a period for some of the reasons explained above.To many women in this state suckle off that shit like a welfare check..not spending a dime on the child and worse yet in some cases actually turning the child out on the street.I know a hell of a lot of teens in this position and actually have one living here that is in that boat right now.It makes me fucking sick...something needs to be done.I am all for mothers showing an itemised account for exactly what they pay for with that money.I am also in favor of mandatory spading for mothers that pop out 6 children with no way to support them.Some may think that is extreme but that is how I feel. Living beyond ones means shouldn't mean that the tax payer or a nameless male should have to pay for a way of life for the bitch..the child is one thing but the woman is something else.
By the way Doc..there have been cases brought to court where women have gone to the trouble to find out who the sperm donar was and sued for support...I kid you not.

i was just kidding here dxa... but seriously i absolutly agree with you on this.. to much childern suffer becoz this.. its not only in the states this is happening

Over here in the UK it is quite trendy for a teen to get pregnant so she will get a house, with the rent paid for here, social benefits and child support. ATM it is a cushty life for a teen if you get pregnant.

I am lucky in that I now have my son for 120 nights a year, and the CSA said I do not have to pay maintenance as he spends so much time here, but I have known ppl who had to pay 98 quid a week for 1 child, infact I have known a few ppl who gave up work cos they would be better off if they were unemployed.

Like I said, my ex was a fookin psycho, and that is official, I raised my son from birth, do not drink, am not violent in the slightest and yet she waltzes back and just takes him, and then I am the one who cannot see him for 2 fuckin years. I have, and never will, forgive this women for what she put me thru, that was the lowest point in my life, infact it was the only time in my life I almost lost it completely, I even got to the point of suicide. It was only the thought of my son that kept me going.

I prolly shouldnt say this, but I honestly got so desperate that if I had had the cash I "may" have had her done in. I got a massive raw deal, the court appointed woman spoke to me for less than 15 minutes, and that report was the single biggest factor in me not getting residence. How can someone decide what you are from a 15 minute chat? Totally ridiculous.

My son has always wanted to live with me and my new wife, he even went so far as to tell him mother, and she simply said, and I quote, "shut the fuck up, you are too young to know shit". What kinda way is that to talk to the son you claim to adore. The other week I went to return him to her as agreed, she was nowhere to be seen, I found her behind the pub off her nut on coke, so I refused to return him, she got a solicitor to write to me threatening to cut off all contact.

I could ramble on for hours, but I wont, it just makes my damn blood boil that I was treated this way. It is even more sad that so many ppl get treated the same just for being a decent person. Who knows, maybe if I had beaten her up she might have quit before it got as far as it did, but I am not that kinda person. Despite how I talk here, I am actually known for how gentle and affectionate I am, I tried to act in the right way and got pissed on by everyone involved.

In a way I hate her for what she made me become, I had real issues with trust after that, especially with women, but luckily my new wife helped me thru that. It has also made me incredibly suspicious of ppl, especially those who offer help.

I am upset that I am not the same person, I have become colder and less trusting.

:edit: Just wanna add the fact I hate the way she uses my son as a weapon against me, my poor boy see's this, and he understands what is going on. It is no wonder he is starting to turn against her. I refuse to bad mouth her to him, I want him to find out on his own, it is not my place to do that.

Hi All,

I think the good USA needs to start a new law, No more than 1to2 kids. Mandatory fixing after 2 max. I know a chick that was told to her and the childs best interest to have an abortion. She's in the navy. Gone all the time. The baby is always sick when the nanny go to take care of it. It takes a week to get the baby well. 3 days to get it sick. I pity for that kid when he gets older. He's health probably will not be so good. I honestly think there are some women should never be a parent.

@takyon
Do you have a representative for your side of the case? If you do maybe you could get a court order for a ua (piss test) from her. Maybe the judge will seethe proof ? I can't go into detail but I know and lived fighting for mine . I had her for 6 1/2 yrs then she was gone for 5 yrs. They finally got a clue. I got her back. It took 3 yrs to get her health and head straighten out. When a child hits a certain age, they can sue the court them selves to go where they want.
I suppose what I am trying to say is never give up. He will find his way back to you. Children have more grit, than most people think. Even if he is not with you , he knows your sarrow. You will feel his also.

Piss test may not work, was a while back and I do not think it has happened recently. As for giving up, never gonna happen. My boy is my life, and luckily he knows it, despite only being 8. I know, and he tells me, he is not happy, soon he will be back with me.

Thank you very much for sharing that story tak. I sympathize very much with you.

When I was aboot 12 my parrents got divorced and I had to choose who I wanted to live with. My older borther said he wouldn't live with anyone else than my fater. So my mother told me that it would be nice if she could have official custody of me so she could get the child-support money to live off. (my parrent have always been really poor). I dared not dissagree.
Now when my brother was having his 18th birthday he got a real surpise pressant from dad saying 'Here's some money we got save up for you since birth' It was aboot 2000 dollars. Now I couldn't wait to get 18, but when at least I did 2 years later I got nothing. My mom had used it all up. I had biiiiiiiiiig self asteam issues because of that.
The fact that my parrents always calls me by my brothers name, and then corrects themself (I mean ALWAYS!!!!) didn't help either.

Kind of off-topic I know.. but never mind.



More on topic however, I have a friend who was dating a girl and started getting a little annoyed aboot her always talking aboot having another child. Her other one was soon turning 18 and she wouldn't get any more child support money then. He got out in time but then aboot 1 year later he saw her walking with a baby carrige. By her side was a man dragging along, head hung low on his shoulders.


I also know many mothers who will claim their children got all kinds of diseases and allergies. They will for example need extra support to buy a special soap that costs outragous amounts of money, and then when they get the extra $$$ go buy regular shit anyway.


As for Doc: I very strogly dissaprove of lonley women (or lesbians) being able to go to a sperm bank and get pregnant. No child should be denied a father.

I'm not a father, but i have to agree with you there.
Takyon, Your ex sounds like a f**kin' nightmare. Hang in there. I think you are playing this right in letting your son form his own opinions on her. The main thing is that you show him plenty of love.

Best of luck. Do the right thing by your son, and you will win through in the end.

Do it as I did: Have a vasectomy early and don't tell your GF. You can have all the fun, but no risk. And if your GF tells you she wants no kids, you are not even cheating. And if she lies: Let her try as much as she can. Only good for you.

I'm actually considering it.... =)

In a worst case scenario though, it the operation reversable?

Probably not. It can be done, it has been done, but the longer the operation lies back the more unlikely is it. After two years, the chances are very bad. And the reversal is much more expensive.

yeah just fill up a couple of boxes and put them in the freezer for a rainy day

Reading all these tales really makes me appreciate how luckyI was. I had a stable family environment, and TBH when I think back to my childhood I just have feelings of amazing contentment and happiness. I do feel for kids from split families, and I do not want my son to have these issues, that is the reason I am generally not online at weekends, I like to spend as much time as possible devoted to my son, and if my PC is on I either get sidetracked and lose track of time, or he gets too engrossed in it. So I switch the fucker off and spend quality time with him.

in the usa, i think it defaults to the mother, unless the father has enough money.
start the sad music.
-ahem-
i be a product of a somewhat disfunctional family.
dad got locked up when i was a kid, me and my sibblings had to pretty much take care of ourselves. we each had a different father, though none of us really has 100% sure of who any of our father's are. different skin colors, body shapes, blood types, eye color, hair color, no one would ever guess any of me and my sibblings are related, though we all have 1 parent in common.

of the few kids that i have a strong belief may be mine, i prefer to let them stay with thier mothers/fathers. i got some rather distinctive characteristics that pass on to what i think our my kids. i dont really like to bring it up to the mother, especially when she was married to someone else when we did the deed. i'd prefer my kid(s) to be with a stable, 2 parent family, and if the dad doesnt have a clue one of his kids may be mine, i'd prefer them not to know. sad as it sounds, i think the best way to take care of my kids is to have someone else raise them in a loving family.

@monkey: do you pay alomony though?

ah, nope. i used to pass a few grand to some of them, completely voluntary on my part, though i have always been extra carefull not to get the wife(when i am married) preggers, no matter how much she wants a baby(man, they turn into fiends for babies, its biological obsessions), until i have a stable means of support and to be able to provide for my kid. i take responsibility very serious, i would want my children to have a decent family life, a nice home with loving parents, and all the stuff i missed out on. now that i am older, i am considering having a family. my brashness of youth is about gone, robbing banks does no longer seem like a viable carrear option.

. my concern is that occasionaly, wether intentional or not, i get with a married woman. i have no idea why this happens, i suspect they just like the excitment i tend to provide. (i;m kind of into 'nice girls' now, err, the non-slut/druggie/hippies types.) and when a married woman has a kid that might possibly be mine, i wouldnt want the pseudo-dad to know what's up, i usually try to do things subtley. eh, but i really like kids anyway, even if they arent mine, if they are in my circle of interation i still buy em toys or help them out. yep, im basically a white trash santa clause.

my bro, he had all the problems with his kid and child support, the mom of his kid was a freaking crackhead whore, about the lowest on the food chain, she was almost a stereotype of a trailor trash drug addicted stupid fucking whore.


err, takmeister, i wouldnt even joke around, no matter how subtley, about having an x 'taken care' of.