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| Author: | manzarek [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Does Pre-cert means UNCUT? |
Hi, I was trying to buy hard to find Uncut movies on ebay and it says precert of some of them? Does it means the VHS is fully uncut? Or it can be cut? Thx |
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| Author: | DxaKrator [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:42 am ] |
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not necesarily...pre-sert means a movie that hasn't gone before the review board yet for its certifiaction i.e. rating...this doesn't mean it's uncut but your chances are alot better that is is.I think George could answer this question in better detail though 
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| Author: | Purple.Nightmare [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:42 am ] |
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don't it jus mean the pre '84 release of a movie, or am i wandering down the wrong path? |
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| Author: | Dia [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:01 am ] |
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DxaKrator's right. It means it's a version that hasn't been issued for certification yet. There's a good chance it is uncut, however the distributors could have made cuts themselves in advance in order to guarantee a particular rating. |
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| Author: | PC_Arcade [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:52 am ] |
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Not in the UK it doesn't. It means that it was release prior to the year that the BBFC started classifying videos. Hence a Pre-Cert versio of Evil dead is uncut, but it was banned outright when it was ceftified. However some (nightmare in a damaged Brain) were cut anyway 
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| Author: | George Tatum [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:42 pm ] | ||||
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I most certainly could, but PCA has already done it, that won't stop me going into great detail on one of my favourite subjects though In January 1983 the UK certificates A, AA and X were replaced with PG, 15 and 18, which pissed me off as I was 14 and therefore legally allowed to see a AA film but not a 15. In mid-1984 the VRA was introduced outlawing the sale of uncertified videos meaning that every video required a BBFC certificate. The government gave the video industry a year's grace and pre-cert videos were actually outlawed in September 1985. Some would say that alll videos prior to this are referred to as pre-certs even if they have a BBFC certificate as several of these were not official certificates, eg Don't Answer The Phone was the uncut version but still displayed the BBFC X certificate. Movies had to be re-certified for video, hence The Video Collection's release of Straw Dogs was forcibly withdrawn as it had a cinema 18 certificate but not video. Some videos (Tenebrae and Crazed for example) displayed a small white 18 with a white circle round it, not an official BBFC certificate and therefore are definitely classed as pre-certs despite appearingf to be certified. This did not prevent Tenebrae being successfully prosecuted as a nasty. Also, as there were no legal restrictions about video certificates pre-VRA this meant that kids could legally rent them, and this was at a time when you could get Cannibal Ferox, Last House on the Left and I Spit On Your Grave uncut  [edit]
Afraid not, Evil Dead was cut for an X certificate and the original video was this version, and therefore a good example of a pre-cert actually having a BBFC cinema certificate. It was cut further in subequent releases though prior to being released uncut fairly recently. When I get my act together and produce a detailed cuts list I'll include this, I'll have to watch both versions again as I can't remember all the cuts [/edit] |
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| Author: | George Tatum [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:08 pm ] |
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I've been giving this some more thought as to whether a pre-VRA video with a bona fide 18 certificate (rather than X) is still classed as a pre-cert and Purple is correct, it is. I've been trying to think of a less contentious example than Tenebrae and finally remembered one, The Deadly Spawn, Vipco's original tape starts with a BBFC 18 certificate. [edit]Just in case anyone finds it confusing that a certified movie can be classed as a pre-cert, these are cases of a cinema 18 being applied to a video which had no legal binding at the time and post-VRA were not considered a valid certificate[/edit] |
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| Author: | DxaKrator [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:18 pm ] |
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And that my friends is the whole pre-cert thing in a nutshell.I knew George would make sense of it all 
And this is also why you should always shop around for your dvd before throwing your money down.There are alot of compaines that deal in just the uncut versions of movies.Midnight beeing probably the best known of this sort.But there are quite alot of others...all depending on the country you live in of course and import laws.Sometimes the quality is not as good as say a professionally made dvd or vhs so I guess it boils down to what you really want..quality over quantity or vice verca Anyone needs some links to these sites or addy's go ahead and PM me and I will be more than willing to give you a list of good valid places to grab your uncut from. 
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| Author: | manzarek [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:22 pm ] |
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:-o so much info! Thx a lot! In short one doesnt know for sure if it's Uncut or Not! I'll pass this time to buy it! and by the way it was a Paramount picture so its hardly Uncut 
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| Author: | DxaKrator [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:15 am ] |
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Well what movie was it?I might be able to find an uncut copy for you
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| Author: | manzarek [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:33 am ] |
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My bloody Valentine! 
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| Author: | George Tatum [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:40 am ] | ||
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The UK pre-cert was cut and is the same as the current UK 15 release. My Bloody Valentine is not available uncut anywhere in the world
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| Author: | DxaKrator [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:35 am ] |
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Yeah,that topic has been covered...it is a no go...not even the films director has the master tapes as I recall. |
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| Author: | manzarek [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:27 pm ] |
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I thought so but I was naive! Is the same with Japan LD version? Is it cut also? |
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| Author: | Purple.Nightmare [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:25 pm ] |
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here's an informative link about MBV http://www.hysteria-lives.co.uk/hysteri ... bvmain.htm |
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| Author: | Krug [ Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:13 pm ] |
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Roughly how many pre-certs do you have george? How many actual nasties do you have (originals)? |
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| Author: | George Tatum [ Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:27 pm ] |
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Sadly I only have original pre-certs of 7 official nasties these days, I have had many more but got rid of most of my collection years ago I guess I have no more than a couple of dozen pre-certs (nasties and others) left. Some I sold off during the nasties hysteria due to panic on my part and some since I replaced them with DVD as their condition was poor.
For the record, those I still have are: Madhouse (uncut) Deep River Savages (with no case though) Revenge of the Bogey Man Shogun Assassin Terror Eyes Visiting Hours Xtro /me awaits call from the DPP
[edit] Make that 8, I was counting 'em on a nasties list which for some reason had left out Human Experiments, I've got that one too 
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| Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:12 pm ] |
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you want to also watch ebay, some people will pay rediculous amounts of money for 'rare' vhs, knowing full well that its an identical print (and inferior quality). I don't care for spending more for less in this way and am confused why people collect like this, but its one to watch out for in buying frenzies
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| Author: | George Tatum [ Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:24 pm ] |
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I don't collect 'em anymore, I've had most of these for years, bar a couple that I got in order to help complete the VN collection
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| Author: | Krug [ Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 pm ] |
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Well just because I feel like bragging this is my list of original nasties: Blood Rites Bloody Moon The Bogey Man The Burning Cannibal Apocalypse Cannibal Holocaust Contamination Dead And Buried Death Trap Delirium Don't Go Near The Park Driller Killer The Evil Dead Evilspeak Fight For Your Life Forest Of Fear Andy Warhol's Frankenstein House By The Cemetery Human Experiments The Last House On The Left Late Night Train The Madhouse Nightmare Maker Nightmares In A Damaged Brain Pranks Revenge Of The Bogeyman The Slayer SS Experiment Camp Terror Eyes Unhinged Visiting Hours Xtro Zombie Flesheaters And I got about 150 other crazy pre-certs too 
Don't really collect them any more but only because I never see em for cheap any more. Still want to get a couple of the better ones that I'm missing, mainly Blood Feast now though.... maybe one day I'll complete my collection. As for why I collected them, I started before DVD was about anyway then I started to get obsessed, and a lot of the time I prefer the old school cover to the film anyway so it's nice just to have a piece of history. I used hunt out some good places where you could pick up the originals for just a few quid anyway so not like I spent loads on them, always tried to stay away from eBay for them or the back of Darkside as it used to be back in the day! Speaking of Darkside, before the days of p2p, did anyone used to get their horror fix through the guys who advertised their copies with carefully worded adverts? You used to send off an SAE then get back a fat list with like 2000 movies that you could get copied for you. P2P seems to have killed all that off now, but used to be good back then! |
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