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This trend to rerip someones releases to get credit for something is fuckin lame. |
Don't you think your being a tad irrational? That's certinally missing the entire point of reripping. Not only is that not the point, but only occassionally are they even released, people do it for their own collection when they think a rip isn't done as well as it could be, to meet their own needs or to save space.
I can't say i'm a fan of it, and only ever re-encode SVCDs->MPEG4 or download them (barring a few that DK has done at fh where they were really warranted), but this is a totally misguided point. As far as releases go, if its only a <90min movie, I'd get a 1cd over a 2cd, but get a 2cd original over a 1cd re-encode I suspect most will do the same. Its all about quality
within reason, and its very difficult to maintain/improve quality after the initial re-encode.
As for teh release groups you mentioned =STR= and SiCK do releases that meet the TDX guidelines, or at least certain standards of ripping... those are currently with mpeg4 codecs, 90mins = 1cd, so it normally isn't the case that it would be possible to re-encode and get any 'improvement' out of them. I'm positive it would happen though, if STR were to release something that was "wasteful", just like it would happen to me if i were to do it. I've never seen either release 2cds for a short movie or anything like that, i've seen them rip at the wrong framerate, bad cropping, etc. though... release groups are rippers after all, there's just more of them under the same name.
I can't really argue with what people want to do with anything i release, if they want to convert it or whatever for their own use, I don't see any point in crying about it. Only thing that pisses me off is that someone would retag an unchanged file, but that's really nothing like what your describing. If someone's re-encoded something, its not 'mine' anymore... I wouldn't even want my name on it to tell you the truth. But i certainly wouldn't cry about it and don't think its fucked up in anyway. I mean I ripped it from a DVD, is it fucked up that i did that? Hell no, everyone has there own needs.
i think its the fact that is a 2cd release with AC3 for a 90min movie, which is actually a tad overkill. The reason emule users probably want a 1cd is that the idea of the network is to keep releases available for ages, and wasting space is counter to the networks strength (which is file availability over time, sheer size,etc.). 1cd releases last a lot longer. Infact its the same on all multiple file networks, the better/optimised the release the longer it lasts. There's a limit to how much you can push the filesize/specifications (new codecs, etc.) overrequired and expect people not to change it to something they find useable. That's the difference between personal and release ripping imo, for personal, I waste space and tailor it to my own needs, infact i've encoded and not even split for the 700mb point since i find that retarded... now if i were to release a 1.odd GB file, you expect people not to split it in half? That's not fair... i wouldn't describe it as 'fuckin lame' anyway... that's totally unreasonable, just because people don't have the same needs as me I'm not going to take it out on them. And what about re-encoding to PSP or PPC standards, I'm don't think its worthwhile even caring what people do there either. However, the difference comes when I release my the file. Here I use established quality criteria, I get the filesize to an appropriate one, and thats the quality i can acheive to get it the best possible without being wasteful. That's at least an hour of material to a cd in my opinion too. If i use a quality standard that's hard to argue with, then i don't even get people even considering re-encoding, there's no room to for a re-encode... but even then, I don't expect people to not unpack the bitstream if there player doesn't play it.
If you look around at group releases, you'll notice something about when they do 1cd and 2cd releases, its not just a few of them, its all of them too... that's why SiCK, Bloodweiser, STR, or any of them don't work in comparison. Most of them follow a rough guide, which i can share with you. If they don't follow them, there releases are nuked. That's one of the major differences between release groups and rippers too. Also, you'll find release groups do get there releases re-encoded, just do a torrent search for Batman Begins. there's loads of repacks... why? SVCD is wasteful, they are re-encoded to 1cd since it better suits the movie encode in the firstplace. Problems are fixed, video and audio down sampled and the release is optimised and often better. And i don't think Centropy or whoever would ever consider bitching that one of their releases gets re-encoded since for them its warranted.
MPEG4-> MPEG4 i don't think gets anything out of it, but if its done well, quality can be maintained and everything.
If i released a 2cd release of a very short movie, then i really wouldn't care if someone re-encoded it to a 1cd. If i released a dubbed movie (not that I'm that sick i'd do it
) then i don't see a problem with someone re-encoding with a better audio channel.
I think you missed the point, especially if you think its for credit
Don't take it so hard that someone doesn't agree with your ripping philosophy... people certainly don't agree with mine. I can't really bitch if someone has a valid standard of ripping anyway.
For the record, I don't download re-encodes if i can help it if that means anything. But I don't download undersized, or oversized rips if i can help it either.
I don't think your looking at it from the right angle anyway, its not anything negative
ps. Is this by any chance all down to a debate about AC3? I haven't really followed it but that debate pisses me off and its a really, really, really old and long one, and it will probably never get settled, but I'm in the AC3 only when needed camp.
AC3 is a big problem, its totally pointless on anything not 5.1 so i don't use it unless I can't get a rip @ 1cd to be good enough quality, I then move the specs to do a 2cd, and then if there's space, use AC3. Setting out to do a AC3 release I would never do, there's some quality 'guru' at fh that has the quote "AC3 should be used wisely and correctly" in his signature which sums up my views on that codec.
The exception to the rule is black and white. Given the large compressability, you can sneak AC3 into a 1cd and still pull it off.
