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Author: | George Tatum [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:50 am ] | ||
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I know we have a number of Finnish members here and this is very bad news.
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Author: | TaKYoN [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:04 am ] |
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Holy shit. Some of that is worrying. They either thought and planned this to be how it was, or they have no fucking idea, either way the outcome was pants. |
Author: | PC_Arcade [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:09 am ] |
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It was bound to happen, you want to trade with the US you have to sign up to the laws the US media companies have bought. |
Author: | antropomorphic [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:17 am ] |
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this is a bit over the top theoretically it means if I were to mail some sort of audio/video copy prog to a Finnish person & he or she opens that mail,they can put them in jail |
Author: | PC_Arcade [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:01 am ] |
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It's the same law that the UK signed up to and most of the rest of europe, there's a list at http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/EUCD-Status |
Author: | George Tatum [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:08 am ] |
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The same law yes but the implementation looks much harsher, I don't think we're breaking the law to use DVD Decrypter, not as far as I know anyway. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:47 am ] |
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Bollocks, I just keep doing what I do until I can no longer do it. Half the copies I have I own anyways, it is actually a great idea to backup all my shit. |
Author: | PC_Arcade [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:50 am ] | ||
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You certainly are, under the EUCD implementation in the UK circumvention of copy protection is illegal (This AFAIK is the same for every country that signs up to it), even where there are legitamate reasons such as Blind people removing protection from certain documents to enable them to be read with screen readers. The EUCD is a draconian piece of legislation, it's worse even than the DMCA in the states, at least there they have "Fair use" protected under law, the UK has no such exemption, it's illegal in this country to purchase a CD then copy it to your MP3 player. The legal route is to buy it twice, once for the home and once in mp3 format for the ipod (3 times if you want a copy in the car too). |
Author: | Vae Victis [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:00 pm ] |
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So if you sing a song, you could get sued? Since you're copying the music from copyprotected cd's to someone elses ears who didn't pay for it. And if you get tired of your neighbours you can just turn on the stereo and accuse them of stealing your honest paid music? /me plays Judas Priest - Breaking the Law, You'd better close your ears I paid for it ![]() |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:14 pm ] |
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I never realised that whole "buying" thing was still going. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:36 pm ] |
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This is why politicians should never be allowed an all access pass to make legislation. Given the amount of corruption and just plain ignorance of the subject, they still have votes on matters without proper consultation. The courts and a academic debate is surely a better way to get clear and unbias legislation. I question the intelligence of the ministers action in this instance. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:24 pm ] | ||||||
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This we already know.
I tend to lean mostly towards ignorance.
Well, that is common sense to me and you, but unfortunately we do not run the country.............................YET!!! |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:48 pm ] | ||
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I would too, but i was thinking of america and countries like italy where they're having big problems with corruption charges. You know the types of decision, the one that immediately invokes the "how the f*ck did this decision happen?" response. Then you look at the contributions made to the senator/party and it kind of clicks how they were lobbied. As for the academic debates suggestion, i really do mean that people who know the subject are the ones that are debating it. There's the problem of unelected officials you might raise, ie. who voted for the academics? as a form of arguement. The retort is simple, who voted for Jack Straw? Even if you vote labour, only a really small subset vote who specifically you choose... and I mean, we didn't elect Tony Blair, we elected labour (not me but i'm speaking collectively) or rather our local district did on our behalf, and then labour selected tony blair. So why not just stop all this bullshit and putting in people we didn't vote for to make decisions we don't support, and just let people who academically have proven their intelligence and capacity to debate these issues accurately and without so much ignorance to the issues. As a plus, I'm sure in an academic debate, they'd also come up with a fair voting system since they don't have their own self interests in regard as parties do now, ie. my vote should be counted as a vote for whoever i vote for, not counted and then supressed when the local borough gets more votes for another party. grrr... ![]() |
Author: | GrindCallus [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:07 pm ] |
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That is the stinkiest crock of shit ever! (Not you spud, I'm reefering to the original post) Not having Fair Use is a shame, to understate. At least they can still get stuff illegally. Black Markets will always stand firm. I will NEVER pay for an mp3, that would be against my code of standards. Discman sales in Finland are gonna skyrocket! |
Author: | hagbard [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:23 pm ] |
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I fail to see, why anybody should have the right at all to tell me, what I am allowed to do and what not - elected or not, intelligent or not. ![]() BTW: In the case MPAA vs. The-Realworld.de, a German court ruled, that ed2k links to copyrighted material are illegal. Info in German: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64363 |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:37 pm ] | ||
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Yeah, you and charlie manson will agree on that one i'm sure. ![]() I don't speak german so don't know what that article said, but i didn't know they even took the-realworld.de to court. I was sure i read it was settled out of court. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:08 am ] |
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At the end of the day, regardless of laws, we all do some dodgy shit on eMule and BT. We know the risks, we get caught we get electrodes on the nuts. At the end of the day I got no problem with the music and film companies catching the smegs that make huge numbers of copies and fund whatever. Me, I use it more as a preview service, if I like a film I buy it on DVD. Music is a little diferrent for me, I never bought albums to start with, all that cash for 2 good songs, no fucking way. Nah, afraid I always have copied music, even when I was a small child and used a tape recorder next to the radio speaker LOL Fucking A, I was born a pirate, that is so fucking sweet. @Spud, I think that was more wishful thinking on my behalf. I know half the decisions would be based on a certain "donations", guess I would like to see brains and common sense win out, prolly not gonna happen. Look what happened the last time a smart man with plans got in power, WWII. |
Author: | hagbard [ Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:23 pm ] | ||||||
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Oh, I thought, Manson actually had some quite authoritarian ideas. Whatever: There certainly are some more people, who would agree with me. ![]()
No, it was in court all right, in the district court of Hamburg. And the court ruled, that it didn?t matter, that the movies (TV shows) were not hosted by TRW, but that by merely listing the ed2k links, the site was helping people to illegally download copyrighted material. The court also ruled, that the provider of the TRW server is accountable as well, because he refused to block the site, what the MPAA had asked him to do. The amount in dispute (is that correct / good English ? ![]() Sorry, but I didn?t find any info in English ...
Now I am really looking forward to your explaination, what the plans of this "smart man" had to do with "brains and common sense". Tell you what: WWII was unavoidable as soon as he started putting his "plans" into action ... plans, that were roughly about conquering & ruling, controlling & exterminating ... you know, how WWII started, do you ?? |
Author: | Union.Simon.616 [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:35 am ] |
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I know, how it started! They started it! They invaded Poland! ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:02 pm ] |
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well, if you want to tally it official, Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way round ![]() Therefore, the british and french officially started the war. But this is stupidly offtopic people ![]() |
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