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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:20 pm  Post subject: Rosemary's Baby (1968) AFS
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I used the search and couldn't find this one on here :o Could some one post a AFS dvdrip with AC3 audio. :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:58 pm  Post subject:
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You dont expect much do you TB? :moon: :googley:

I have a rip of this thats a DVD rip at 700mb with 128k MP3. If that will do then I'll release that for you in a few days time :wink:


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If I could get some screen shots that would be cool. I think that should do if I use nero vision and make a dvd out of it :beerchug:


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if your going to be reducing the quality like that, a 1cd is ample for such a lossy process.

You should look into buying some better equipment ;)

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I put a 700 mb rip of Toxic Avenger and put it into nero vision and it made it look ALOT better. Really dont know what your talking about. 700 mb to a dvd will look alot better because the quality is improved not decreased.


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I'm no techie but even I cant see how you can improve the quality of a divx/xvid by converting to a DVD. Everytime you reencode something you lose quality & thats fact. Besides, it takes hours & is a waste of a disk. If you want to watch on your TV you should go spend $25 in walmart or £35 in currys on a standalone or go with spuds recommend which is an X-box & eliminate the need to reencode stuff.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:05 pm  Post subject:
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I put a 700 mb rip of Toxic Avenger and put it into nero vision and it made it look ALOT better. Really dont know what your talking about. 700 mb to a dvd will look alot better because the quality is improved not decreased.


Thank you for attempting to pull that one on me. I got a smile out of it on a Monday :)

I suspect your a little confused about the process here tenor and are thinking the filesize increase means anything, if your not then that is the silliest thing i've ever heard or more likely you should try do some comparisons on a decent, fair setup. You aren't comparing what it looks like on a shitty low resolution tv vs a very high resolution monitor are you? That would be quite silly too ;)
btw i've listened to george bush speeches (you can't fool a fool twice!) so its quite high on the sill-o-meter :lol:

You can not improve on an encode by passing it into a transcoder. That's like suggesting you can improve a photograph taken with a 10Megapixel camera, by taking a picture of the picture with a 1megapixel phone on your camera. The initial capture looses quality, but then you take a hugely lossy picture of the capture which not only captures all the defects of the original, but introduces much more of its own.

Go and read articles at doom9.org to get the bare basics on re-encoding vs transcoding, and google for "transcoding", which is what nero digital is doing and compare that with the re-encoding.

You can't improve on a decent encode by passing it through a transcoder, all it does is SIGNIFICANTLY decrease quality, generally either blocking or blurring to make it more tolerable so you don't notice how crappy it ends up... by very definition you are sampling the initial rip and very roughly if only done with a single pass, its not possible to sample something and get a better quality image. Really :)

You can filter a rip and adjust brightness, but if that was necessary in the first place then if you apply that in the initial encode to a rip it will be significantly superior.

If you truely believe that the output of a transcoding is better than the source, and the source isn't seriously compromised in quality and required initial filtering (and i seriously doubt it will be the case), then either you've got problems with your video equipment or your peepers :)

So I'm calling your bluff here, since your talking a technical impossibility and its very simple to pull the physics out on you on this one. You can't improve on a source by merely passing it into a transcoder, its quite the opposite you are by definition sampling the input. Furthermore, the output of nero vision is in fact transcoding and is inferior to re-encoding with CCE. All of which are deeply inferior in picture quality to natively decoding the mpeg4 codec with a competant pc, dvd or xbox.

Re-encoding and transcoding are lossy processes, decoding is a superior method.

I know i go on about this stuff a lot to video newbies, but I went through the same process a long time ago and the amount of time, quality, etc. I've saved is astronomically higher than faffing round with a lossy process. Nero digital is just a convienance for naff setups, its not needed otherwise.


Anyway, i guess your wanting a better source, but my point is your going to be seriously compromising the quality with your transcoding step... its not big motivation to re-release the movie when your just going to be doing this anyway and binning the higher quality original.

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