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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:38 pm  Post subject:
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?? I tried using both virtualdub and Nandub to convert this to divx, but can't find any place to select codec compression....

'Video' -> 'Compression' -> select your codec and then settings
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Also can't find anywhere to rotate the screen.

'Video' -> 'Filters' -> add Rotate filter :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:24 pm  Post subject:
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awesome. Finally managed to do it! It's the first time I get to see these vids without having my head tilted to the side. tnx alot carlos! =)

Now, there seams to be quite a difference how much the size is reduced...?
This is one file before compression:
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Name.........: CIMG0006.AVI
Filesize.....: 3.79 MB (or 3,886 KB or 3,979,488 bytes)
Runtime......: 00:00:30 (372 fr)
Video Codec..: Motion JPEG including Huffman Tables
Video Bitrate: 998 kb/s
Audio Codec..: PCM Audio
Audio Bitrate: 64 kb/s, monophonic
Frame Size...: 320x240 (1.33:1) [=4:3]

and after:
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Name.........: CIMG0006_1.AVI
Filesize.....: 3.61 MB (or 3,698 KB or 3,786,752 bytes)
Runtime......: 00:00:30 (372 fr)
Video Codec..: DivX 3 Fast-Motion
Video Bitrate: 942 kb/s
Audio Codec..: PCM Audio
Audio Bitrate: 64 kb/s, monophonic
Frame Size...: 320x240 (1.33:1) [=4:3]

As you can see, very little difference.

Another one however was halved. Before:
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Name.........: CIMG0531.AVI
Filesize.....: 3.73 MB (or 3,824 KB or 3,916,420 bytes)
Runtime......: 00:00:30 (372 fr)
Video Codec..: Motion JPEG including Huffman Tables
Video Bitrate: 979 kb/s
Audio Codec..: PCM Audio
Audio Bitrate: 64 kb/s, monophonic
Frame Size...: 320x240 (1.33:1) [=4:3]

After
========================================
Name.........: CIMG0531_1.AVI
Filesize.....: 1.51 MB (or 1,548 KB or 1,585,152 bytes)
Runtime......: 00:00:30 (372 fr)
Video Codec..: DivX 3 Fast-Motion
Video Bitrate: 352 kb/s
Audio Codec..: PCM Audio
Audio Bitrate: 64 kb/s, monophonic
Frame Size...: 240x320 (1:1.33) [=3:4]


The video bitrate is almost 1/3 of the original, even though I used exactly the same settings... ?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:49 pm  Post subject:
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Hi John, I recommend this site, if your new at coding webpages:

http://www.w3schools.com/


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Another thing about the encoding. The only way I managed to compress the audio to mp3 was to first do it in nandub, saving as uncompressed avi, then load that up in virtualdub and do the video compression. Kinda quirky. There has to be a simpler way...?

Jensus, tnx. will take a look.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:47 am  Post subject:
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ok, done more work to it. http://jdoe.team5.org/
Please take a look and give me some comments...

Still haven't figured out what the hell I'm gonna do with those videos.... What would be a good size for a 30sec clip?


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Is this a scene from the remake of Bullit? :)

Seems a bit white at the moment, until you get to the thai pages which turn a mouvey-pink-purple. I've always been a bit fan of monochrome myself :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:02 am  Post subject:
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I figured, since I wanted to use colorfull writing, I might just as well use colors... =)
Gray is fine for fact and debate, but a little dull for what I wanted to do IMO. Not too sure about those two colors that I have there now though, but the text is readable?

You did see that the photos were clickable?

Otherwise, the layout and design? Any more comments?

And what browser are you using?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:31 am  Post subject:
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my "always used" browser is opera :) I would recommend testing all sites in the 3 main flavours of browser, IE, O and Moz. As you know, I often get pissed off when I program new features and..ahem... IE ingests the code and ignores it :lol:

Have you looked into dreamweaver templates? If your using the app, you can do some damn good web designing in it. Take a whirl on emule for dreamweaver templates, load some up and get some tips. If your wanting news portals, nothing beats dynamic sites. If your not confident in php and mysql (a doddle really :) ), there's premade packages like phpnuke that can be used for such ends. However, that enters the area of better site hosting, and you'd need a database, php, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:15 pm  Post subject:
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In your examples above most of the space is used by PCM audio. So, here's the VirtualDub way to do it:

open the source file
select Video.Full processing mode
verify that Video.Frame rate is set to 'No change'
go to Video.Compression, select XVID, set it to 2 passes, 1st pass and set appropriate bit rate (lower than your original bitrate if you want smaller file, keep it equal to source to obtain as much quality as possible but don't raise it above)
go to Video.Filters, select 'Add', search for 'Rotate', select and configure it
select Audio.No Audio
File.Save as AVI, enter filename, wait a bit. ;)

This is the first pass in which the video stream is analyzed and only statistic info gets written to disk. The .AVI is unusable.

For the second pass:
go to Video.Compression, select XVID, set it to 2 passes, 2nd pass
select Audio.Source audio
select Audio.Full processing mode
go to Audio.Compression, select MP3 codec and set it to 64kb/s mono if possible to match your input audio stream
File.Save as AVI, wait a little bit more, check the results


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:15 pm  Post subject:
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aha! Muchos grazias cenhor! I found that I was using VirtualDubMOD and that didn't have that 'audio' section at all... Anyway, I finally managed to make an acceptable version.

http://jdoe.team5.org/test/4.avi
(site is a bit unstable atm.)

Filesize.....: 2.65 MB (or 2,718 KB or 2,783,232 bytes)
Runtime......: 00:00:30 (372 fr)
Video Codec..: XviD
Video Bitrate: 722 kb/s
Audio Codec..: mpeglayer3 (mp3) (0x0055) ISO/MPEG
Audio Bitrate: 16 kb/s, monophonic
Frame Size...: 320x240 (1.33:1) [=4:3]


2.65 mb for 30 seconds.. that's not too bad is it?

I was wondering though, I have a few clips that are of the same simultaious event (my camera would only take 30 seconds clips) and wondered if there was a way to splice them together with virtualdub as one file? Maybe with a short fade2black between them?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:45 am  Post subject:
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KABLAM!

This better?
http://jdoe.mine.nu/

strange, the links don't seam to work in Opera. Seams like it requires some text to have a link, and don't accept my empty table as a link. hmmm... works in IE though.
Also Opera seams to move the table around a litte. =(

The avi should work as well now I think:
http://jdoe.mine.nu/test/4.avi
2.65 mb for 30 seconds.. that's not too bad is it?

I'm still clueless about how to splice film clips though... I have a few clips that are of the same simultaious event (my camera would only take 30 seconds clips) and wondered if there was a way to splice them together with virtualdub as one file? Maybe with a short fade2black between them?


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The chase scene looks fine, but you could spend some more time on dialogues... :)

If the clips use same codecs and have the same resolution you can join them with VirtualDub Almighty. If your clips are named like "HotNight01.avi", "HotNight02.avi"... VDub will load them automatically if you check "Auto load additional segments" or sth like this on Load window. Alternatively, you could open the first clip with "File.Open" and append the others with "File.Append AVI segment". Don't know how to do the fades though - I only use it to join pr0, err, family reunion clips together and they don't have transitions between clips. ;) Several fade-in/fade-out filters exists, though.


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Great graag!!!! =)

http://jdoe.mine.nu/test/19.avi

comments?


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Nice. Did you fade the audio too?


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nope. couldn't figure out how.

what do you think about the size? good enough?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:59 pm  Post subject:
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Yes, think 5MB is fine for broadband. BTW, the menu refuses to work with my firefox/privoxy combination, but it works with IE/privoxy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:00 pm  Post subject:
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trange, the links don't seam to work in Opera. Seams like it requires some text to have a link, and don't accept my empty table as a link.


Nope:

Code:
<a href="http://www.dead-donkey.com"><img src="http://home.online.no/~s.rast/john_doe_feet.jpg"></a>


<img src="http://home.online.no/~s.rast/john_doe_feet.jpg">

You've got some naff code on your page. If you want clickable co-ordiantes, you'd be better off using
Code:
<map>
. Install dreamweaver or look up the html to see how to properly do a menu selection like that. You can easily do it without frames too :)

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But that's just it spud, there's no picture there. Only the background. I tried making sepparate pictures out of the 'about me' buttons ect. but I couldn't get them to stay where I wanted, to fit in with the background.

What if I make an all blank transparent picture, and make an image map on that? Then it wouldn't matter where I placed the blank picture, cause I'd just adjust the map to fit the background? Sounds good?

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You've got some naff code on your page


I do? What's 'naff code'?

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Install dreamweaver

was the first thing I did when I started this thing.

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You can easily do it without frames too

Why would I wanna do that? Then the menu has to be reloaded with each click. I hate that.



graag, couldn't figure out how to fade audio. is it possible in virtualdub, or do I have to use a sepparate audio app?


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this is naff code:
Code:
<a href="Welcome.htm" target=mainFrame>
    <td style="cursor: pointer;">&nbsp;</td>
    <td style="cursor: pointer;">&nbsp;</td></a>


You can't have a html link over two table columns like that... firstly there's nothing to click on, secondly, it's two sepeate parts of a table, and well, where logically do you think you could click? i get confused trying to read it, so that's probably why opera gets confused trying to implement it :lol: You can not link like that.

The reason it may work in IE is because IE fucks up (yup that simple, the reason why code often works in ie is because its too dumb to understand what its supposed to do, so it parses it out and draws something else entirely), basically it gets confused and makes the table blank spaces in the tables clickable, which it shouldn't. Your also using javascript for some useless pointer. The site navigation is the most important part of the site so keep it simple :) . The reason it doesn't work in opera is because you don't have anything to click, your code says 'here's a html link, here's two columns', but you have nothing there to click on to link. It's naff/shit/poor/bad code,a nd you should slap whoever you stole it from and eat his babies :lol:

Your site is getting disasterously platform and program dependant by the looks of the code, Go back to basics would be my immediate recommendation, it looks like it might as well have been made in frontpage.

If you want the same layout, and want to use frames. You can:

a) Keep that image you've got. do not set the navigation image as background. Instead simply insert it as a foreground image. Now use a map to highlight the text areas of the image, and link those up with a link to the htm page (and target="mainframe" or whatever you've called the right hand side)
b) the problem is now that, if the image is too big, low resolution browsers get scroll bars. To get round this, you need to come up with a freely repeatable design for the background, and align a smaller navigation image over the top and then link that up. Its simplest with lots of images, one for each area, but you could do a background then a foreground image
c) abandon / redesign for a simpler navigation design


Simplest sites are normally the most trouble free and better looking.

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Why would I wanna do that? Then the menu has to be reloaded with each click. I hate that.


Because frames are terrible, glitchy and poorly implemented unless you know what your doing and have a design your working from. Look at all the best sites and you'll see they avoid frames at all costs, and rightly so. The reason is because you have are entering the realm of platform dependance, introducing poor code and...well a lot of the time it just looks crap. It doesn't matter about reloading, you have it in cache don't you ;) It looks miles better too.

I don't really mind that much to be honest, but frames introduce far more problems than they solve, so I prefer to avoid them unless its absolutely necessary/unavoidable. When I have used them, keeping them simple, and using option a) was the only way to go for images.

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Regarding audio: no, think you can't do it in VirtualDub alone. You should save the audio as WAV (File.Save WAV), fix it in another program (CoolEdit maybe?) and then glue it back to video using Audio.WAV audio instead of Audio.Source audio. Try to use as much direct stream copies as possible to avoid quality loss on each step.


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