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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:55 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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spudthedestroyer wrote:
erm, i thought you were talking about your full encode being undersized? Well that line is JUST for the comp test, it selects a small range of the movie and encodes it.

The comp test is pretty much worthless


I was, so you just learned me something new :mrgreen:

This time the comptest took only 15 mins instead of almost 5 hours. It also gave me 82.5% now, a much more reasonable percentage.

If the comptest took almost 5 hours yesterday and it selected the whole range of the movie, does that mean the encoding of the entire movie will also take 5 hours? Or is it too simple to say so?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:04 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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It will take longer because the comp test uses only a single pass. I would say it will take 10 hours. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:21 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I need your help master elguaxo. I have a source with frames that need to be interlaced and some part needs to be IVTCd. It's a mixture like: [interlaced part][telecined part][interlaced part][telecined part][interlaced part][telecined part]...

http://rapidshare.com/files/145480976/f ... d.m2v.html

I'm almost sure this was posted by you here before but I can't find it. :(


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:49 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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If you are encoding to AVI, there is no way to do it right. If you encode to Matroska or MP4 (using either xvid or x264), you can use Variable Framerate (aka VFR) and encode it in a mix of 29.97 and 23.976 fps. TDecimate, part of TIVTC can do this automatically for you.

I guess you are encoding to AVI, so you have to settle for only 1 framerate. Try one version at 29.97 and other at 23.976 fps and go for the less crappy looking result.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:55 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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What if I trim out the interlaced parts and the telecined parts and apply different "filters" to them?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:56 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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That would be a hell of a job

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:00 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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The ideal solution would be:
applying a deinterlacer to the the interlaced parts -> 29.97 fps
applying IVTC to the telecined parts -> 23.976 fps

You can't join that together into 1 AVI, because the framerates are different. Matroska or MP4 is another story.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:06 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Oh, I thought that deinterlacing results in 23.976 fps. Thank you very much for your help. :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:08 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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This is one of the reasons anime encoders adopted matroska very early. One single anime can be drawn at a mix of 8/12/16/24 and even 30fps. With matroska and VFR the encoders were able to keep the original framerates for every part of a single anime.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:22 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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elchupacabra wrote:
It will take longer because the comp test uses only a single pass. I would say it will take 10 hours. :D


You were right, it took 10 hours and 36 mins.

@ elguaxo: thanks again for your deblocking advice, mate. It worked like a charm, there's only some minor blockage to be seen. :beerchug:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:56 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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pure wrote:
That would be a hell of a job


Not in this case. The video is only 4 minutes long. :wink:

elguaxo wrote:
The ideal solution would be:
applying a deinterlacer to the the interlaced parts -> 29.97 fps
applying IVTC to the telecined parts -> 23.976 fps

You can't join that together into 1 AVI, because the framerates are different. Matroska or MP4 is another story.


I decided to deinterlace, because it is a kind of making of in which the interviews are interlaced and the movie parts are telecined. Since the movie parts are also available in the movie the interviews are more important imho. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:06 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I think a list of filters to address the ''identified'' issues would work, although personally, I've found several of the HTML help files to be as useful as a canoe in the desert due to the fact that unless you know the techno-jargon, you simply dont understand what it means & hence I'd like to see a basic, patronising explanation about what it all means. Like I've said before, once upon a time I had all the time in the world to read up on it & attempt to digest it but I simply don't have the time these days, life has changed so the more info you can provide to make it simple the better. I'd post samples for someone else to spend time creating a script but thats a bit unfair on elguaxo or whoever it is that offers one, but I am really struggling for time & i'm sure that I'm not the only person in this situation. :wacky:

I've several dvd's waiting for me to rip for this site but limited filtering skills & unlike someone too lame to mention, I won't rip without giving a shit, I want to make it worthwhile & the best rip possible. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:19 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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BadBugs wrote:
I won't rip without giving a shit, I want to make it worthwhile & the best rip possible. :wink:


I totally agree on that one. :drunk:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:47 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I'm trying a rip bigger than 1.45 GB for the first time but GKnot won't let me specify anything bigger than 1/3 of a DVD.

Presumably just changing the total file size is okay, but I'm puzzled as to why it's like that. :?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:55 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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MCMLXXXVIII wrote:
I'm trying a rip bigger than 1.45 GB for the first time but GKnot won't let me specify anything bigger than 1/3 of a DVD.

Presumably just changing the total file size is okay, but I'm puzzled as to why it's like that. :?


Setting the total file size should be enough. You can always manually specify the file size in the XviD configuration dialog. Actually that is what GKnot does, but it automatically subtracts the size of your audio stream.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:22 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Just choose 1 CD.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:06 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Uf, this is hard to understand....

I click "first pass" but the popup window is missing.

ALso when I try to encode I get this:

Resolution: 640 x 400

Audio 1:
none.

Audio 2:
none.

09:05:04: Audio 1, calc: 253615 kb
09:05:04: Audio 1, disabled, no recalc. - you probably want to add this track later.
09:05:04: *************************************
09:05:04: EXCEPTION: Range check error
09:05:04: EXCEPTION: Encoder Thread Terminated.
09:05:04: *************************************
Total Encoding Time: 0 seconds.
16-10-2008 09:05:04: Job " 1 - VTS_01_1.avi" finished.

WTF! I've just spend an hour following every instruction and now I get this :argue: PATIENCE!!! :evil: :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:35 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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09:05:04: Audio 1, disabled, no recalc. - you probably want to add this track later.


Did you select "Just Mux" at the audio tab, before the encoding starts?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:58 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Did you select an audio track from the folder where your VOBs are located? There should be at least on AC3 file. You should select it for the "Audio A" box on the Bitrate tab.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:38 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Yeah I believe I did. I remember locating the ac3 file.

Also, this popup window never opened:

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