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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:02 am  Post subject:
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I use shareaza because I have a router so it's less of a bother to open/close ports with one client for all networks. I haven't tried a lot of clients so I wouldn't know if it's the fastest one. It probably has more overhead than a specialized program so no ;p


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Is there a SuperSeed option with Turbotorrent Spud? I think i've tried it but because it didn't have it so i quit using it. But i can't remember forsure.

You guys do need to be careful because some trackers are cracking down on certain clients because of the way the act with the tracker. Some of them hit trackers hard(mine could be one because it's old) continuosly scraping or announcing. I'll use the banned client list from http://rlcmedia.org:6969/ to show why some of them get banned.

TorrentStorm 1.2 - Reason: Global upload was divided evenly, did not minimum out at 3kbyte/sec like other multitorrent clients. Version 1.2.1 resolves this issue. Please upgrade.

Azures 2.0.x.x - Old versions, some hacked clients are present masking themselves as legit 2.0.x.x

Shad0w 5.x versions and those that rely on Shad0w 5.x cores. - outdated, get BitTornado 0.2.0 or 0.3.3 based versions instead.

ABC 2.6.6 and older are included in this ban, 2.6.7 and newer are not.

TorrentStorm 1.2.1 and older are also included because they are only S5.8.11 or older. Make sure to use BitTornado cores in newer versions

Shareaza All Versions - poor BT implementation

BT++ - Much bad data reporting

Frost's Experimental (usually versioned 3.2.1b) - Outdated client

BT Official 3.4.1 and older - Enhancements from newer clients are required for proper communication with the tracker.

G3Torrent All Versions - Leech client.

BitCommet All Versions 0.53 and older.. Abusive announcing (Potential for unban on next major build)


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thanks for the reviews and info

good thing i'm mostly muling with it then (unless that part's crap as well). Guess i'll look around for donkey client threads then ;p


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Is that some stupid way of saying powershare? Seed indeed :lol:

I don't know, you can seed with it, but not knowing the nature of 'super seeding', I can't comment. Theres no checkbox i could see that said super seed.

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oh and u forgot MLdonkey :)

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             ABOUT SUPER-SEED MODE
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The super-seed feature in S-5.5 and on is a new seeding algorithm designed to help
a torrent initiator with limited bandwidth "pump up" a large torrent, reducing the
amount of data it needs to upload in order to spawn new seeds in the torrent.

When a seeding client enters "super-seed mode", it will not act as a standard seed,
but masquerades as a normal client with no data.  As clients connect, it will then
inform them that it received a piece -- a piece that was never sent, or if all
pieces were already sent, is very rare.  This will induce the client to attempt to
download only that piece.

When the client has finished downloading the piece, the seed will not inform it of
any other pieces until it has seen the piece it had sent previously present on at
least one other client.  Until then, the client will not have access to any of the
other pieces of the seed, and therefore will not waste the seed's bandwidth.

This method has resulted in much higher seeding efficiencies, by both inducing
peers into taking only the rarest data, reducing the amount of redundant data sent,
and limiting the amount of data sent to peers which do not contribute to the swarm.
Prior to this, a seed might have to upload 150% to 200% of the total size of a
torrent before other clients became seeds.  However, a large torrent seeded with a
single client running in super-seed mode was able to do so after only uploading
105% of the data.  This is 150-200% more efficient than when using a standard seed.

Super-seed mode is *NOT* recommended for general use.  While it does assist in the
wider distribution of rare data, because it limits the selection of pieces a
client can downlad, it also limits the ability of those clients to download data
for pieces they have already partially retrieved.  Therefore, super-seed mode is
only recommended for initial seeding servers.


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If your a torrent seeder and your having to upload more than 10-15mb over filesize(say having to up over 715mb for a 700mb torrent) before you see your first seeder(peer who downloaded the full file and is now seeding/uploading) then your doing something wrong. If your uploading 800mb before you see guys complete the efficiency of your torrent aint worth shit!

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Myrkul wrote:
thanks for the reviews and info

good thing i'm mostly muling with it then (unless that part's crap as well). Guess i'll look around for donkey client threads then ;p


Everything about Shareaza sucks hard.
Delete it immediately.
You won't even be able to save your downloads because Shareaza uses some gay-ass proprietary file type.
Shareaza is

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ThEdEaDLiVe wrote:
If your a torrent seeder and your having to upload more than 10-15mb over filesize(say having to up over 715mb for a 700mb torrent) before you see your first seeder(peer who downloaded the full file and is now seeding/uploading) then your doing something wrong. If your uploading 800mb before you see guys complete the efficiency of your torrent aint worth shit!


oh, you mean intelligent chunk sharing... get with the times! We've had that for agggggggggggggeeeeeeessssssss :)

No i don't think it has intelligent chunk sharing

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Were talking about torrents though not emule. Torrents has had it for a year and a half or so now but the software is not as old as emule. I'd sure hope you'd have had it for awhile now. Mind you from my experience i have to upload over 2gigs on mule for a 700mb release before i could safely stop sharing it where on torrents i only need to up 710mb.

Plus you asked what SuperSeed was. C'mon get with the times! Superseed is old news :roll:


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Super seed on BT is amazingly efficient, you can quite easily spread a 700 meg avi with only uploading a fraction over 700 meg, altho obviously if someone gets a few meg and then DC's you will need to reshare those pieces, but on the whole it is awesomely efficient.

I way prefer BT for this function, eMule just seems to take longer to spread stuff, even with that intelligent barf spreading.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:47 pm  Post subject:
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well the tracker ThEdEaDLiVe, posts his torrents from has Turbo Torrent banned for no reason (its not listed). Bit of a nazi tracker.

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I've been trying to find out some info on the client and all i can find is people saying it's bad. But they never give reasons why. So i still don't know what to tell ya Spud.

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even with that intelligent barf spreading


Is that an industry term?
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Well since deadalives tracker bans the program I mentioned (for no reason), I'm trying Bitcomet

Very nice and totally owns Az on the system resources front. 63mb +never over 5% cpu. Totally down to programming language, having done a bit of java, its clear to see why it uses so much resources.

UI is nice, more solid than Swing or whatever Az is using, features are good (no superseed), but I wish it had a directory scan, I really like that feature in the other two.

drpoopypantz, yes, its the same feature as smellyseeding but the torrent protocol is a hell of a lot faster. Does the same thing though :)

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Yeah AZ is a resource hog compared to bitcomet. Bicomet is written in C++ so that's why it's not such a system hog. I would be using it to if it had SuperSeed forsure. It's got some nice features and GUI. But if your not a releaser on torrents then you don't ever need to worry about having a client with SS.

I'm on Zaercs tracker again as Decypher mentioned that he was able to stay connected to the tracker with no problems with his last posts for STR. I had been having timeout troubles with it so that's why i was on rlcmedia. Maybe i will start posting the link to which tracker the torrent i'm doing is on in case of any other troubles with clients being banned so you know which client your safe with depending on the tracker i use(possible new rule for the torrent section maybe).

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Well the irony is, HTTP and tracker is central to the torrent system and one of the reasons it works so well, and then on the other hand the trackers are its downfall.

I'm interested to hear of this suprnova.org marlarky, anyone heard anything about that?

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I thought you'd never ask. Yes. "Exeem" is going to eliminate the need for any trackers. Basically everybody whose on it will be a tracker. It's going to be kind of like what emule is now. Everybody is connected to each other and you search just like in emule for files and download through the client.

This will be the next greatest thing for bittorent since SuperSeed came out(IMO as long as it works like it's suppose to barring some bugs to begin with). Even though they say it's not bittorent but it's based off of it. Just think no more worrying about trackers going down ever. The achilles heel of bt has always been trackers. This program eliminates the need for them. I for one can't wait for this to come out.

Now somebody posted the hidden section on the Sn forum that's exclusive to Exeem beta testers showing how to set up the client and what it's going to be like. He posted it on another webpage. My apologies to anybody from Sn for posting this but i'm just too damn excited about this software...

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How to use the eXeem beta.

So if your here, you were obviously selected for beta
testing eXeem. First, lets start off with
what eXeem is. This is NOT Bittorrent, but a
Peer-2-Peer program based off of BT.
QUOTE(suprmedo)
And yes this is P2P client and yes it is
Bittorrent client joust because you cent see actual
.torrent doesn't mean it isn't there. It was already
said in one of the post that actual torrent will be
hidden for the most part from users, but this doesn't
mean that its not used.


Let's talk about configuring the beta. First, go to the
configuration panel. Options/Configuration....

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On the listen port, choose whichever port you would
like. It is recommended to choose something outside of
the normal BT port ranges. Mine is set at 6123. If you
have a router, make sure that the port is forwarded. You
can do this by using Judge Dredd's how to here. http://www.suprnovaforums.net/index.php?showtopic=602

The username (mine is set at LocK) is what is shown when
you post a comment on a file. Note that there can be
more than 1 person with the same username, so try and
choose something out of the ordinary if you don't want a
ton of people with the same name.

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Next, we have the downloading tab. This should all be
self explanitory. The download folder is where all your
downloaded files will go. The finished download folder
is where the files go when they are done. There is an
option to move files to the finished download folder
after they are done. Mine is turned off.

The max download/upload rate is just what it says. It
will cap your download and upload rate at that amount
per torrent.

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The seeding tab has a per seeding torrent settings. This
will allow you to give the maximum connections, maximum
upload slots, and max upload rate for any files you are
seeding. I left mine the same as download limits.
As of Beta .2, auto-stop seeding hasn't been enabled.
When it is, I will update this how to.

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The global limits tab just allows you to set the global
limits for the beta. To get the best speeds, it is best
to set your max upload rate at 80% of your full upload
rate. That will give you the best download speed, while
still keeping you from being a leech. smile.gif

Okay, so you've gotten the beta configured,your ports
forwarded, and your ready to download. There are a
couple different ways for you to download using the
beta. The first way is the "new torrents" tab.

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Choose the catagory you want to find the new torrents
in, and hit refresh. You can also choose all catagories.
This will give you the latest files that have been
published. The seeds/peers colum shows you how many
people are currently connected to that file, and the
catagory tells you what type it is. Double click on the
file you want, and it will start downloading in your
"transfers" tab.

Searching with the beta is simple, and much like kazaa.

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Just type a keyword, select a catagory, and hit search.

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The transfers window shows you which files you are
currently seeding/leeching. It also shows the amount of
peers, and your seeding ratio. Right cilcking on a file
will give you the options to Pause, Resume, Cancel, or
Description.

When you click on description, this will come up.

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The rating is a new feature that has been added to
reduce the number of fakes. You can select a rating,
post a comment, and view the description.
In the description, the origional publisher can give
information about the release. This is where you could
add what codecs are needed, what the password to a file
is (if you absolutely feel the need to upload a
passworded rar sad.gif ) and any other information about the
release. In the comments section, users can post their
comments about the release. Please don't post comments
asking why the download is going so slow, or "w00t, I'm
getting 100kB/s!".

Finally, lets get into how to publish a torrent. Since
this is the beta, we're going to want to try and use as
much bandwidth as possible, so publishing torrents is a
must.

When you look under File/Publish torrent; this screen
will pop up.

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Publishing a file on eXeem is incredibly easy.
Simply choose the path of the file you wish to publish
by either browsing for a file or a directory, select a
name for the published file, choose a catagory, and
finally write a brief description. After you have done
all that, just hit Publish. The beta will automaticly
submit the published file to the new torrents list, and
everyone should be able to start downloading from you.

Note that you do not publish a .torrent file; just the file or
directory you wish to share.

Common questions:


How are fakes going to be delt with?

There is a rating and comment system. This will help
the user find out if the file is fake or not. Also,
suprmedo had this to say about the beta's relationship
to Kazaa.

QUOTE(suprmedo)
The main problem with kazaa is that it
doesn't have hash system which means that if you make
MP3 with same name and same size that's already on the
network and someone downloads one part of this file from
you the MP3 will be corrupted. (This is exactly what
RIAA did to kazaa). And since people don't delete bad
MP3's from their computer you have more and more of this
files in the network. And here is where our client is
different you wont be able to corrupt files in the
network because they have hash.

One more difference from kazaa is that we wont have
entire folders of files on the network only those that
will be manually uploaded from users. Kazaa has so many
viruses because users don't even know they have them on
there computer. So I personally think that we will have
a lot less fake files on our network and we also plan to
implement rate system so that if people find fakes,
viruses, spyware in one of the files they will vote it
as bad so hopfully not many people will download that
file.

What we are trying to do is bring best of P2P world and
best of bittorrent together.


Any other ways of making sure I won't get fakes?
QUOTE(suprmedo)
And for those that will need to be sure
what they are downloading there will always be magnet
links so your friensds that already downloaded the file
will give you link too it so there will be no chance
that you will get fake.

Think eDonkey. smile.gif

If this runs on the Bittorrent protocol, how does work
around the tracker?
QUOTE(suprmedo)
Our system will use swarms as tracker
which means everyone is connected to everyone. This
eliminates need for one central tracker since there will
be 1000 of swarm trackers every torrent will have
one.


I'll try and update this how to as newer versions of the beta come out, but I figured its probably best to write up a quick one so that all the new beta testers don't have hundreds of threads asking the same thing. smile.gif

Also, there are currently 2 different subforums; Bugs, and Suggestions. If you find a bug, please look through the subforum before posting, as we don't want 4 threads with the same bug. Thanks. smile.gif


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I thought you'd never ask. Yes. "Exeem" is going to eliminate the need for any trackers. Basically everybody whose on it will be a tracker. It's going to be kind of like what emule is now. Everybody is connected to each other and you search just like in emule for files and download through the client.


Actually, I don't know how new you are to ed2k, but Overnet, the attempt to abandon edonkey2000 failed... miserably. Infact, they changed development to go on this serverless crusade and it all went hideously wrong. They abandoned edonkey2000 development, and that prompted emule. Although emule has adopted its serverless part, it is predominantly server based.

Overnet died a horrible death. Okay its still around, but no one uses it anymore. They use a hybrid if at all, which is edonkey2000 and overnet, with double the overhead of each one seperately.


Thanks for the post, but I'm a tad worried. It just looks like a new p2p program to be honest (looks a tad too kazaa too :o), like that they are looking at emule for all its best features though :)

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Can't blame them for using many features from the mule, it is the single greatest p2p app I know of, just in slow motion LOL

If the mule could attain anywhere near the speed of BT I would be rushing back to it now as my main app, but it can't so I ain't.

I heard a few rumours about exeem, and if it does indeed maintain the speed of standard BT but with the new features it promises, and also manages to keep resources and bandwidth overheads to a minimum, then this could be the next best thing to happen to p2p.

IMO the single biggest drawback to BT is the weakness the tracker system presents.

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