Don't forget guys that XP SP2 introduced that stoopid fucking outgoing connections limit. That killed BT for me so I modified it, now all is running fine.

I also noticed that my outbound connection attempts got reset at some point, as did a few other ppl I know, so it might be worth checking it again if you have previously modified it.

http://www.utorrent.com

Haven't tried it myself, but might be of interest to those concerned about resource hogging by their BT client.

Being using that for the last couple of weeks since it was mentioned on FH, quite impressed so far with no problems with it at all.

Seems to connect quite happily to registered trackers and I have not noticed any slow down in the speeds when I bother to grab a torrent. My weekly dose of Lost came down at 100 on my 1mg line and the desperate housewives (for the missus honest) came down at about 75.

Much much better than azereus for system resources as well.

(Waits for Spud to talk about DHT or was it DVT?).

DHT is vital to defeating the registered trackers.

I may look into this as when i used BitComet it totally killed my web browsing

How is it for browsing at the same time?

I tried this but speeds were not as good as in azereus.
But system resources did free up.

Waiting for DHT

Looking good

*merged*

"Ahh... too slow Chicken Marengo, too slow for this cat!"

Another classic quote from the spudmeister.

@Conky, never saw Azureus in that DHT list, altho do the rest have enough users to use this feature well enough? Is DHT specific to each app? Is it like a DHD on Stargate? If so, can I dial P3X-67D?

:edit: OK now, have read up on the whole DHT thing.

Version 1.2 is out... with... *drum roll* DHT.

Stab and slash people.

using ?torrent as my preferred client now i have sorted out the memory loss issue and it has now implemented DHT,switched from bitcomet which was great for download speeds but i found shite for allocating bandwidth on uploads! it always seemed to give the torrent with most peers all the bandwidth no matter how much i told it it could have ?torrent divides bandwidth up like it says it does though which makes it a charm to run

?torrent is cool, been using it for a while.

yeah, well only thing that was keeping me was DHT and now its got it. There's not much point hanging around the other clients unless your hardcore

Azureus still has its plugins though.

have you used utorrent? azureus really doesn't have that much useful on it at all... its core is rotten and bloated in comparison, being the important part that's a really big blow to the arguement. As far as azureus plugins go, not many useful ones I ever came across to be honest.

What features do you need?

Well the stuffer plugin is great, and I still use safepeer. I've also read of problems with upload speeds with utorrent. I like azureus anyway. Cross platform too. Personally I've got nothing against utorrent, but nor have I got any reason to change to it from Azureus. Azurues is perfect for me, so I'll stick with it.

Kickban? IMO those features are paramount to leeching, i suppose if you got a poor blocklist it might help to kick 0-part feeders but its normally used to kick out safe clients (hence the carpet ban on the feature in emule). As for safepeer, surely peerguardian2 is a better solution than a single application layer filter these days? particularly since you use more than one network presumably (given this is an ed2k site )



no infact, its one of the only clients to actually obey the speed limits set and distibute upload equally. See basslines post, for example



little consequence, or will be when the nix client of utorrent is released. only matters to the developers, infact its a disadvantage given the increase in resources cross platform apps need.

Well each to their own I suppose. I'm happy with Azureus and I can still ban Shareaza clients with stuffer, so it ain't all bad. I prefer to use safepeer with Azureus and keep the ipfilter up-to-date in emule rather than have yet another program sitting in memory.

Again it's my preference - which may well be completley the wrong one, but mine anyway.

I'd still beg to differ over the problem with erratic uploading speeds though. Though I can't personally vouch for it, I've read others complaining of the fact, coupled with poor downloads as well - causing them to switch back to Azureus.

Anyway you use utorrent if your happy spud and I'll use Azureus. At least we all get a decent choice these days.

I don't know but is utorrent even open source??

Preference/choice/etc. is irrelevant to discussing pros/cons, weaknesses and alternatives, which is the point of course. Don't make it sound like me making notable observations makes your choice any less of a/your choice. that's giving me way more power than i currently have.
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Azureus has a more mature plugin setup that's for sure, but luckily it provides few features of value that you can't get in most base clients.

There's one (or a few that have the same general purpose) i'm interested in, and working on replacing, and its available in many clients, but i want to remove it from integration and make a general version of it.

There was a spell when i've used az, i'm sure back a few pages you'll see, as well as another client a few pages before. However the overriding problem with azereus is that it offered no real download gain, its uploading capabilities weren't remarkable and all of that for poor resource utilisation. Main reason i ditched it. It wasn't broke exactly, but it wasn't best... and i always have to own the better one

Anyway to answer the questions/statements:


yeah, that would be an issue if you count number of programs, but that doesn't count on the fact that utorrent and peerguardian2 together don't even equal even half of azerues resource usage when you have several torrents on the go. This all goes back to my lovely friend java ultimately whilst the former's relative features may be debatable (ie if there's a killer plugin that you use), peerguardian2 has any plugin, in every conceivable submission hold atm given its dedicated to what it says on the tin, and does a very good job at ip filtering.

I've been using peerguardian2 for a while, and its automatic management of blocklist is still got to be topped. If you've not used it, its nothing like peerguardian one and supersedes protowall. Very low resource usage, it basically has little to no cpu cycles you'll notice.



Well then you'll have to continue to do so, since its giving the same speeds i normally get atm

i can't find any real evidence about slow download or upload, that can't be tracked down to the user having bigger problems. There was a few bugs way back when, but they've been fixed for version now. Smells like newbie chatter, like people who can't even configure emule correctly

There's been a few bugs, but none like you seem to make out it has that i've encountered. Like these *ahem* individuals for example:
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=2258



You can see more of this type of subjective performance review in the utorrent forums: http://forum.utorrent.com along with retorts of course.

All i can say is its not what i see, leeching and seeding works no problems here.

So don't expect what others say to have any sway on what other others say, erm, if that makes sense. A better way is to of course, see for yourself Its not like its going to hog your memory, install anything or even take up more than 150kb (its just the exe, with no installation or setting files after all )

I think if you poll other others, you'll find there's more other others than others. I haven't polled but i'm pretty confident that will be the case. There's a big thread of them at fileheaven.org ... other others that is, not others



out of interest, why does that matter at all? You make it sound like it isn't a far more efficient piece of programming than the alternatives because its not got the source code available to the public.

if its the arguement that it produces better software, as is the case made by the less informed linux freaks, then its quite clearly wrong in every regard, at least in this case given that without any notbale loss of performance it is 100kb big, and has a memory footprint of such tiny proportions.

I like the concept of open source, but most of the time its like a religious concept if anything.

The statement on the website regarding source says that the source won't be released unless they stop developing the program, so i guess they don't have the intention to do so.



/me goes back in time many years ago
What colour would you like your edonkey2000 skin? Tough there's only one! bwahaha

I just use BlocklistManager to create my IPFilter.dat. Still not entirely sure if it makes much difference, but fuck it, it helps.

You need to go to there site cos they have a few good threads in the forum on how to tweak the shitter to get better performance.

An example of an "other" btw: