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Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:11 pm ] | ||
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As much as I loathe handheld consoles (I'm a PDA man myself), the 'new' nintendo handheld, which apprantly is not a sequel to the infamous Gameboy whatever that means seems to have some neat features... in fact if the following news article is true, it sounds like a PDA!
If it is a PDA that would be pretty cool, I mean what would you want touch screen for if not to interact with a PDA environment? If so it's like a PDA that supports games like a console, which is a good thing! I hope its true anyway, melikes PDAs ![]() btw. I have an Ipaq 5450 if anyone was wondering. |
Author: | Bassline [ Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:05 pm ] |
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well...i was actually going to ask here about PDA's as my wife wants one to use for reading ebooks ![]() ![]() ![]() and what kinda price are they as i don't want to pay the earth for it if all she's gonna do is read books and me play the occasional emulated game ![]() all advice greatfully accepted ![]() |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:57 pm ] |
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I would also be interested in the advice, an area I had been considering myself. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 12:50 am ] |
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As I am in the trade, one thing I can tell you is that this was a rush announcement in an attempt to counter the nearing arrival of the PSP. Nintendo's in house software depts have not even been informed officially and this alone is a bad omen, the last time the public discovered news of a machine before inhouse depts was the virtualboy, and look how that did. The constantly changing, within the trade, specs that are supposed to be official are ever increasing, just the same as the PSP was at one point, and are more to do with posturing by the companies than anything else. The PSP will now not have the abilities it was initially announced to have, simply due to cost, it is gonna weigh in at around 200 squid, and that is alot for a portable machine. Also the recent announcement of the delay of PSP has sorta pushed N into a corner, most insiders believe the DS was announced to prove a point, and they assumed the PSP would arrive quickly and they could "abandon" development of the DS as not viable. When Sony announced a delay ppl started asking about the DS and N got itself in the shit. A DS type system was also announced before the GBA arrived, was gonna basicly be a twin GB colour system, that never appeared either. The best advice I could give would be to wait awhile and see how it proves itself in the market, if it even arrives. There are also several newer companies entering the market, and some of those machines have excellent specs also, and they are seriously looking into worldwide launches of there hardware. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 3:40 am ] | ||||||||||
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Not sure about that one, sega already put out some comments about it already and several japanese firms have made some noise about it. Some big 3rd party companies have already seen it, so its safe to assume that first and second party developers have seen it too. Who's your source?
I believe that was like a game and watch wasn't it? Nintendo already made dual screen handheld devices throughout the 80s (everyone remembers donkey Kong game and watch ![]() I've been looking into that psp, at first i thought, cool... then the specs have dropped drastically several times, price has crashed and 3rd parties have been ragging on it for being vastly lacking in memory too ![]() ![]()
The only thing that's got me interested about this DS is that with dual screen there's more space to work with on a PDA. It's screen is too small though, but hopefully another company will rip them off and put dual TFT into an IPAQ (get stealing those blueprint HP!). The CPU is also a major PDA processor, made by british company ARM. Whilst on the subject of Nintendo:
This is a rumour btw, and pretty old, but it still makes me chuckle ![]() ![]() And to leave with a comment with the most insane, senile person ever... former president of Nintendo of Japan:
Don't you just love that guy! ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 3:44 am ] | ||
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There's lots of games available. There's a port of Age of Empires, quake and Tomb Raider. I downloaded Tomb Raider from donkey, plays fine (except the controls suck), looks sooooooooo much better than the ngage effort and its a bigger display too. I haven't tried out any emulators but there's mame, gb, and a host of others. There's some snes emulators but unfortunately not very stable. Ipaq 5450 has a decent graphics processor and a 500MHz ARM processor (*i think*). You can shit loads of ebooks, software and games off the donkey network. Take a gander by searching for IPAQ, PPC, or PocketPC |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 3:54 am ] | ||||
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@ Tackyon, yup, your source needs his arms broken for supplying false info ![]() I couldn't find the article with the leaked studio comments, so here's an extract from IGN:
1st and 2nd party are definitely aware this time ![]() The whole thing in full: http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/498/498550p1.html
I guess its nintendo's curse... everytime they do something they are blatantly ripped off almost straightway. D-pad, shoulder buttons, analogue for 3d games, rumble packs, etc. ![]() Most of its speculation but its expected PDA features are the thing flaring my interest. I was hoping the PSP would/will fill in the gap between console and PDA, and thusly console and PC. PC is the best gaming platform, always has been, I just want nintendo to make zelda for the PC with LAN multiplayer damnit! ![]() |
Author: | Bassline [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:17 pm ] | ||
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holy crap :-o i never realised there was that much available for them ![]() right so now price!....how much is a Ipaq 5450 cuz all i keep finding on searches is the 5550 i guess the newer model?.....i had a look around and found a HP iPAQ H2210 Pocket PC for about ?220-250 is this one any good for what i want it for? as the price is right ![]() |
Author: | ohgodnotanotherone [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:24 pm ] |
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*ZZzzzzz......* /Me fell asleep somewhere during Spud's essay ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:48 pm ] | ||
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they are quotes from news articles you dumbass ![]() ![]() Anyway, i notice i didn't source some of the stuff, the huge quote is from IGN, and the others are from megagames.com |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:06 pm ] | ||
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Righteo, I'll give a little backstory. iPAQs were originally compaq's creation, but they got bought out by HP. So what happened is that HP continued the line and added some bigger beafier devices to the existing range. The IPaq 2000, 3000 and 4000 are all pretty old, and made by compaq, but the half way model numbers are much newer. The ipaq 2210 is not top of the line, but a mid-range device, the specs are, Intel PXA255 400MHz, 60mb SDRAM (56mb writeable) [that's built in stuff], windows 2003 PPC, screen size - 3.5", 240x320, battery life is about 6hrs, supports SD and CF Type 2 media and weighs in at 144.2g. In addition it has basic hardware features bluetooth and infra-red (remote control compatible [u can use it to control tvs and junk]). What its missing however, is that it doesn't have a great amount of ram available for storage (so u need a flash or SD card if you want to store shit loads of stuff) and it doesn't have wireless ethernet (802.11) without buying an expansion. It's price has dropped quite a bit, it used to be about ?320. Now if your after top of the range, currently there's teh 5450 and the 5550. The 5450's CPu isn't too great, but it has inbuilt 802.11b, bluetooth,, larger screen and some crap is just excessive (finger print recognition). I got mine very cheap, was ?300 at launch for me, even though retail was nearer ?600. The 5550 has a better CPU and twice as much ram, but it doesn't have wireless built in I don't think. I'd go for ARM processors over X-scale any day. All ipaqs are PPC, which are my preference over palm (palm doesn't have nearly as much software or games). The 2210 is an excellent budget handheld. I'm not up to scratch on what's planned on the handheld market, but moore's law applies to handhelds too ![]() |
Author: | Bassline [ Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:27 pm ] |
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well i'm certainly not after top of the range and 400 squid is more than i wanna pay for a toy ![]() ![]() i've seen a few games listed on emule that say ARM in them but would they still work on the X-scale?...and i don't mind not having huge storage space to start with but have seen a few upgrade cards at reasonable prices for 128/256mb etc so that should be enough to store a few games and books on if it's existing storage space isn't sufficient shouldn't it? ![]() and wireless ethernet....do i need it? |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:44 pm ] |
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@SPud, sorry mate, my info was a little outdated, and I stand corrected. I still would not bet too highly on N with this one tho, despite what some ppl may say it is still likely to NOT be backwards compatable with 100% of games, and this could complicate matters. Also, expect the specs to drop, ala PSP, my sources insist that the price point N is aiming at is not do-able with the current specs. I personally would still place my bets on the DS never becoming a long term money maker for N, it was only ever designed to be a stop gap until the next gen of GB, and the customers in this trade are amazingly merciless towards hardware companies. It was the speed which sega dropped the32X and megaCD, and then the saturn and the dreamcast that killed them, and it was the lacklustre effort N put into the N64 that almost finished them off too. The GameCube's future is still not that bright either, despite what N may want the public to believe, they have, internally, accepted they will soon be gone from the console business unless a miracle happens, and concentrating on the handheld side. Over the next 5 years, a long time in the console market, it is generally accepted that N will rule the handheld side, and Sony will continue to reign supreme for the consoles, but Microsoft will continue to gain ground. In the short term I expect the DS to sell better, simply because N is famous for quality games in the handheld market, but PSP will never be far behind. In the long run I suspect SOny will still be supporting PSP when DS is dead and buried. As for my sources, like I say I am in the trade, I have met software developers, hardware developers and all sorts of other geeks. One thing I have learnt in the past 8 years is to listen to the big names in the soft dev biz, they are the ones who ultimately make or break a machine. Unfortunately I would stand a decent chance of dropping myself in the shit if I start naming sources and companies, but I am fairly well connected. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:51 pm ] |
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I want m$ to buy out Nintendo... relocate some of the talent onto the pc ![]() @Bassline, unfortunately no, ARM and X-Scale are 100% incompatible. This all boils down to CPUs having different instruction sets (remember the 80s and different compilers, os and software per hardware platform). ARM is the most popular. |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:35 pm ] |
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I gotta say spud, MS may be a general bunch of wankers, but they do know how to market shit. I reckon you are on to a winner, much as I hate N they do know how to make some seriously good games. ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:33 am ] |
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Dude, I'm only in it a) Zelda b) Mario Kart c) Any other decent 1st party game. Zelda on a Lan would be so sweet! ![]() ![]() |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:36 pm ] |
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I perosnally never liked N games, but I did see the pure genius and craftmanship that went into them. The thing that did it for me was when N tried a few years back to be ultra kiddy friendly, gotve some violen in ya games. |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:19 pm ] |
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To be fair, there's always been F-Zero X, Zelda as well as the family games; its just the family games use soft colour pallettes. There's only been a few games that are really childrens, pokemon's story was clearly at a younger audience. However, this was GameFreak not nintendo. Most of the kids stuff comes from 2nd parties; HAL are the ones who do all the mario party junk and what have you. Regardless, props to Sony for spinning that against nintendo ![]() I'm not quite sure if I want sony or microsoft to buy nintendo out, i think i'd go for M$ if it ever happened because sony's first/second party games normally suck ![]() ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:59 am ] | ||
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Definitely been pimped out to core developers for a long time if this report is true:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/505/505410p1.html Caught it on a quickscan for Resident Evil news ![]() |
Author: | TaKYoN [ Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:38 pm ] |
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But how much of it will be just gimmicky? ATM the inside news is that sony and N are basically trying to outdo eachother, now I know this is nothing unusual in business, but sony have been somewhat embarrassed, especially within the trade, they have had to, on several occasions, admit the original specs were too ambitious, and add to that the slipping release date and they fooked up. They basically have no experience in this sector, and foolishly assumed it was the same as the console market, but the big N knew better, and what appeared to be a ploy to steal sony's thunder is becoming reality. Gotta say I am swinging more towards N ATM, they have the market stitched up, have done for years, and they look to have more of a handle on things, they have the expeience and the rep. |
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