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Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:35 am ]
Post subject:  PS3.... Nvidia
Well you might be aware that nvidia doesn't even have a footing in the console market. Gamecube is ATI, m$ was nvidia, but they fell out and its now ATI, and PS2 is a custom job.

Well it seems that Sony have chosen Nvidia as their gpu manufactor:

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Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) and nVidia announced that the companies have been collaborating on bringing advanced graphics technology and computer entertainment technology to SCEI's highly anticipated next-generation computer entertainment system (PS 3). Both companies are jointly developing a custom graphics processing unit (GPU) incorporating nVidia's next-generation GeForce and SCEI's system solutions for next-generation computer entertainment systems featuring the Cell processor. It is expected that Sony's contribution to the graphics of its console will be much greater than before considering that working in a Cell environment is bound to require a manufacturers understanding of the new chip. This collaboration marks nVidia's reply to Microsft's decision to go ATI on XBox 2. The deal the graphics company has struck with Sony is seen as a very lucrative one as the Cell is expected to be used in a variety of ways, meaning that the expertise nVidia will gain while working on PS3 may give it the advantage over its rivals on Cell based systems.

This collaboration is made under a broad, multi-year, royalty-bearing agreement. The powerful custom GPU will be the graphics and image processing foundation for a broad range of applications from computer entertainment to broadband applications. The agreement will encompass future Sony digital consumer electronics products.

In the future, the experience of computer entertainment systems and broadband-ready PCs will be fused together to generate and transfer multi-streams of rich content simultaneously. In this sense, we have found the best way to integrate the state-of-the-art technologies from nVidia and SCEI, said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Our collaboration includes not only the chip development but also a variety of graphics development tools and middleware, essential for efficient content creation.

We are thrilled to partner with Sony Computer Entertainment to build what will certainly be one of the most important computer entertainment and digital media platforms of the twenty-first century, added Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO, NVIDIA. Over the past two years NVIDIA has worked closely with Sony Computer Entertainment on their next-generation computer entertainment system. In parallel, we have been designing our next-generation GeForce GPU. The combination of the revolutionary Cell processor and NVIDIA?s graphics technologies will enable the creation of breathtaking imagery that will surprise and captivate consumers.

The custom GPU will be manufactured at Sony Group?s Nagasaki Fab2 as well as OTSS (joint fabrication facility of Toshiba and Sony).

Sony's PS3 is expected around mid to late 2006 while Microsoft's XBox 2 (Xenon) console should launch in late 2005.

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/cons ... hics.shtml
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:43 pm ]
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OK.
OK OK OK.
If you recall, I recently said that PS3 would be better than a lot of other consoles.
I find that I have to take that opinion back, because Xbox is going to be ATI, plus Xbox has the fighting game series Dead or Alive, which rocks ass.

I hate Nvidia. Why would Sony do something this stupid?
Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:03 pm ]
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because they're stupid by any chance? :lol:

I don't hate nvidia, but I recognize as it stands ATI are the better chip manufactors still.
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:55 pm ]
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I do hate Nvidia.

1) NVidia knew the DX 9 specification for quite a while, yet they turned out
the GeForce FX cards, which so far.... underpeforming is too kind a word.
It cannot run DX 9 games acceptably. 30 FPS (average, it could fall in many
places) in Half Life 2 on a hotrod system, is simply unacceptable. By no
stretch of the imagination can I see this problem ever being fixed. The FX
cards simply have a broken architecture. Where did those millions of
transistors go? Are they just spinning their wheels in DX9?

2) NVidia worked with Valve presumably for a long time, and they knew the
GeForce FX was going to have problems with it. Yet they kept the industry
in the dark about these problems and hid the fact that the FX is a DX 9
product in marketting spin only.

3) Smaller developers will not be able to make NVidia specific code and hold down developement time and costs, yet there are now thousands of FX cards they have to support. Smaller developers are the lifeblood of PC gaming, if they can't get their foot in the door, PC gaming is doomed. And I cannot see NVidia simply helping smaller developers out of charity.

4) DX 9 benchmarks across the board are showing the FX cards
underperforming, so much so that a card that costs half as much is beating
it consistently. This is not a game specific problem, it's much deeper than
anything a patch will fix.

These are things Nvidia couldn't have just overlooked. These are conscious decisions. Nvidia, much like Intel, can rot in hell.
Author:  autopsy [ Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:47 am ]
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well....
I would suspect this is about money (what a surprise)
and/or nvidia has something new to show?

just guessing
but I agree, considering the present situation I can't understand why Sony would choose nvidia over ati if not for some of the above reasons.
Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:21 pm ]
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As nVidia has decided to cause a big fuss over its deal with Sony on the PS3, some details regarding the timing have come up which are not doing the graphics giant any favors, even though nVidia shares rose sharply following the announcement.

The first piece of news to surface, following the announcement, has to do with the timing of the PS3 launch and confirms suspicions that no PS3 will appear until we are well into 2006.
The details confirm that PlayStation 3 will appear in Japan in spring 2006 while the U.S. will get its dose of Cell in fall 2006 with Europe likely to to have it by holiday 2005 or Q1, 2006. This also means that nVidia's boards which will support the PS3 are unlikely to appear before then.

As all this was happening, Microsoft announced that its developer's kits for XBox 2 are on schedule to be delivered by Q1, 2005. What this means is that MS must already have the units and testing has to be under way. As we do know that the new kit will finally include a R500 rather than the current 9800, this, in turn, means that R500 development is almost done.

Most people have had their fun with the fact that Microsoft developer's kits are based on Mac G5's but you can't help but wander if this time round Microsoft's console may make it since it will be based on a RISC CPU and not on Intel x64 architecture.

The whole point of the new kits is the change of the graphics card, as it will allow developers to work with SM 3.0 and other nifty tricks which the 9800 does not support. So this may give ATI a, short-term at least, advantage over its rival, unless nVidia has some secret up its sleeve.

The next generation console wars are likely to spill over into the graphics war since cell support and the R500 are potential hotbeds of competition between all parties involved. Things are going to get far more interesting very soon.


Bad news for sony, M$ is going to get the lead this time!
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:40 am ]
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So this may give ATI a, short-term at least, advantage over its rival, unless nVidia has some secret up its sleeve.


What the hell does that mean?
ATI already has an advantage over it's rival. It's called DX9 benchmarks.
Who WROTE that?
Yeah, definitely not going PS3 here. They have their thumbs up their asses.
I might have to...BUY something from Microsoft. :-o
Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:55 am ]
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drpoopypantz wrote:
Who WROTE that?


http://www.megagames.com

And they're right, nvidia and ATI are about the same in terms of sales. Not everyone is informed about performance and whilst companies still choose an inferior product it can exist in the market place untilt hat changes.

I think they are referring to advantage in terms of market dominance.
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:27 am ]
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I think they are referring to advantage in terms of market dominance.


Agreed.
But corporations who put out...I don't know...stuff...are going to be aware of this trouble.
And if PS3 crashes and burns with an Nvidia emphasis...it's going to be as bad for Nvidia as it will be for Sony.
Same with Xbox2 going crazy with an ATI emphasis. As good for ATI as it is for M$.
Can ya dig it?
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Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:07 pm ]
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well if it comes out a year after m$ then this time around, sony are going to have the better console. ATM, sony has the worst hardware by far, but the market dominance. ... weird huh?

m$ may even do a dreamcast if they dont handle it properally.
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:26 pm ]
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m$ may even do a dreamcast if they dont handle it properally.


May we all hope and pray that happens.
Nothing against ATI. I have all respect for them and I wish them the best.
I even talked my Mom into getting a Notebook with an ATI Vid Card in it, even though she has no use for a 3D card whatever.
But I hope and pray for the destruction of Microsoft, and if you want to make an omelette you gotta break some eggs.

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Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:38 pm ]
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na, I don't want to be stuck with crap consoles, and since i prefer xbox to ps2 by far, I hope it doesn't from a consumer point of view.

Its microsoft, and they deserve some super freaky shit, but the Xbox is a nice console (ugly and crap pads, but since its so pc in nature, you can do more, better :) ).

Only console, as always, I care about is Nintendo's, since I'm a big zelda fan :)
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:43 pm ]
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spudthedestroyer wrote:
na, I don't want to be stuck with crap consoles, and since i prefer xbox to ps2 by far, I hope it doesn't from a consumer point of view.

Its microsoft, and they deserve some super freaky shit, but the Xbox is a nice console (ugly and crap pads, but since its so pc in nature, you can do more, better :) ).

Only console, as always, I care about is Nintendo's, since I'm a big zelda fan :)


The 3D Metroid Games for Gamecube are damn cool.
Author:  spudthedestroyer [ Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:01 pm ]
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I've never played any of them :oops:

I'm not interested in fps on consoles that much, and I prefer modern day, or at least black powder weapons over lasers.... i've seen it, but it never sparked my interest. I loved the SNES version though of course, that was really cool :)

I have it on a DVDr somewhere, should I boot up and play?
Author:  drpoopypantz [ Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:24 pm ]
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<img src="http://www.retrogaming.it/snes/Super_Metroid_J_2002_11_03_15-14-44.jpg">

Look at that state of the art 3D.

That reminds me of another game that has been turned into something completely different.
That's right. Prince of Persia.
Remember playing that on a 486?

<img src="http://www27.brinkster.com/sparksite/images/progs1/prince/p12%20copy.jpg">

:lol:
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