Anybody used this or got any advice. I usually use DVD Decrypter but this says it can put duel layer onto 1 disc . from the info



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can i post the link here or in misl release ?

http://www.dvdshrink.org

Freeware.

There's also another one that uses Cinema Craft Encoder to re-encode the video, also freeware.

I did use DVDshrink but Spud put me right and like i say i now use dvd decrypter.
It's just that this claims to copy duel layer onto one disc with no quality loss
dvdshrink does the job but q is not great.

DVDshrink is wank, only use it if your absolutely sure its not going to do any form of re-encoding because it is absolutely terrible at it.



Its lying. The only way to do that is to copy dual layer to two discs. If a program makes that claim, don't bother even installing it.

Use DVDdecrypter to decrypt, then use DVDrebuilder to Re-encode.

I thought u might say that Spud

I've used DVD shrink a couple of times, re-encoding doesn't cause too much of quality loss on the ones i copied with it (the quality rate was about 85-90%). Altough i'll try decrypter+rebuilder to compare the two of them.

Copying dual layer onto a normal DVD without loss of quality isn't true of course, if it was, what would the purpose of a dual layer DVD be?

there's no point, DVDshrink can't even re-encode to the standard of pinncale instant copy, cloneDVD and any number of other transcoding.
It doesn't even come remotely close to the quality of Re-encoding of CCE (DVDrebuilder).

Test, but you'll waste an hour of your life. Quicker just doing a google for reviews They normally include screenshots in the good ones so you can see for yourself.

http://dvd.box.sk/articles8.php?stranka=1
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70146

and here's DVDrebuilder:
http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?forumid=75
Gets its own forum.

There's no comparison. Transcoding can never be as good as re-encoding

Interesting, I've never had anything but good results from Shrink but then I don't go to the nth degree of zooming the picture to find faults, I just watch it on the telly.

Thing is, with Rebuilder if you install it you need a fair few extra applications as well, some of which are already installed with other stuff like AVI2DVD and Gordian Knot - will it bugger them up at all?

I'd be interested in trying it out, but to be honest if I can't see a difference on the TV between Shrink and Rebuilder I'd take the first option.

Shrink adds lots and lots of microblocks. You don't have to zoom, put it on your pc. It has a higher resolution and you'll see how crap it looks.


nope and nope. Only thing I had to install was CCE


and if you choose shrink its your funeral

nope, but you'll need a few other apps as well, and it's kind of quirky to get going, but once you've set it up, it's always there. ready. waiting. lusting.....

I used shrink bcus it was easy to use but i do understand Spud's point about " transcoding and re encoding" so I now use DVD decrypter to do single layer discs no problem The problem I was trying to overcome is the duel layer discs. I looked at the DVD Rebuilder info and altho i already had most ov it. I found the bits i needed were trials . i also think the prosses sounds complicated for me. Maybe this will help . After installing SP2 i found nero wouldn't work so i got nero reloaded this comes with nero vision express. Within 2 hrs i had managed to copy a duel layer dvd using nero recode which seems to work in the same way as dvd decrypter i.e u can choose main movie or all etc, puts the nessasary files in a folder then re encodes back to disk in what i would say is exellent quality. So it's gonna b dvd decrpt 4 single layer and nero for everything else because i understand it all and the results are exellent

Well that's the point, I don't watch movies on my PC so I don't need to see how crap it looks, and the results from Shrink have been fine for TV display.



Been using it for a while, and I'm not dead yet.

I know what your saying, but I think its giving people bad advice based on the fact they don't care about these major problems. if you are fine with having lots of redundant discs when you get better equipment and a better tv, then that's what its heading towards. I tend to back stuff up with the idea that they won't get replaced unless something better comes along, and with 100s of DVDrs growing by 3 or so a day, some of them are going to be around for a long time. I also back stuff up content that its the best quality with the minimum amount of effort, given I can backup loads at once, have full control over the content and quality (including the number of passes, since there's some discs I care about more... spaced and B5 for example ) so its going to look top tits on every machine I play it on.

I post on many forums and each time I'm trying to advise people on gaining the best backup, and everytime someone walks in and says "DVDshrink rox0rz" or "excellent quality", and besides laughing my ass off, its really misleading, since it really isn't. The real reason behind it is because DVDshrink is the most popular, but people really don't know anything about it, especially how poor its transcoding is. Its the same kind of 'kazaas the best', 'Zonealarm is the best", etc. So I normally have to but in and avise to the contrary

You've got a choice. You can have best quality, or you can skimp out and have poorer quality. I see no reason for the latter, you do seemingly.

CRT tvs are terrible at showing the actual detail present on discs because it blurs and stretches the mpeg2. Given better technology (and its really noticable even today), your going to see the quality of your discs get worse and worse, and all because you've skimped out at a stage where you can get it right with no effort. There's no real reason to do this. You have adequet and better, you can tell a difference, I sure as hell can.

However, when recommending to people shrink, please at least say that the quality is extremely bad in comparison to other transcoders, because all your doing is misleading people about it being even remotely near the standard of CCE, and that the results should be anything other than poor relatively (and actually, although you seem to disagree).

If this didn't matter, then I wouldn't be saying this but it does matter, quite a lot since quality here is the performance measure.

Try playing one of your shrinked discs on a projector, monitor or something less shitty than your tv and you can see a difference, its a quantifiable thing, its fact. The reason I'm saying "put it on your pc" is because if you can't see it on your tv, its obviously not very good if its not showing any difference. I could see notable difference between a family guy encode I did with shrink (very blocky), DVD copy 2 (slight loss of detail, and some blocky scenes), and CCE, and my tv isn't even very good

Now back to shrink, it really does rank at the bottom of the transcoders because its got a really poor transcoder built into it. There are quick and easy transcoders out there, as said DVDcopy 2 is a very nice one (although is prone to the odd f*ckup). Nero is actually getting better these days, but its high-mid ranked in terms of transcoding. avi to MPEG2 is pathetic, but its quick.

DVDrebuilder re-encodes with many passes, it really is superb quality, and well.. this is why you'll see every dvd-r release that's worth its size is CCE multipassed. Because if they transcode, the quality is just crappy and would probably get them flamed if they don't tell people.

You get time as a penalty with CCE, but you've got batch mode thanks to DVDrebuilder that more than makes up for it imo. It isn't perfect and won't encode every disc, so that's where other transcoders come in. However, its works on the vast majority of discs, and its pretty simple to setup. If you got gknot installed you've already got everything you need besides, CCE (emule search and your done) and the program itself. Doom9 has detailed guides that don't extend very long if you can't figure out where to browse to.

No1 apart from whorish TDXbumming release groups would dream of using Divx3 anymore... now you can't notice all the microblocks when you play these back on a Divx player, but they sure as hell are there and the quality is normally poorer than an updated codec equivalent, and they going to get more noticable as better technology comes along. That's why no1 in their right mind uses Divx3.11 when a better codec is there with more advanced options.

ahem... that's why I'm insistant on really not using dvdshrink for its transcoding abilities, because... well its shit at it. Strip out anything you don't want, that's okay. But leave the transcoding to a better program would be more sensible advise if you want the best results. Otherwise, if you aware that your going to get bottom of the barrel results, then go for it.

Once DVDrebuilder is setup, imo its bullshit that its any more complicated to use than any other program. I just select the mounted image, select the output directory and hit transcode. Given I'm going to get far better quality than any other program, doesn't make any sense to use any other program.

Understandable?

If you want to know why transcoding is inferior to re-encoding, technically, real-world, and well everything, there's lots of info on google and doom9 amongst other places.
Guides for DVDrebuilder are on doom9.
DVDrebuilder itself is listed under downloads at doom9, so too is gknot.
CCE can be found on emule. I don't have emule running but it was the first hit:
Cinema.Craft.Encoder.SP.v2.67.00.27.&.CCE.Patcher.v0.5.7.&.EclCCE.v1.81.rar

i recently had a go with DVDRebuilder and after not getting CCE 2.66 to work (and yes i did crack it and use eclcce it just got stuck when trying to transcode ) i used 2.50 SP and all was rosey,mind you it's a bit annoying if you want to have some extras cut out and keep some as far as i could tell you could only keep them all at a reduced quality?....i'd defo use it again if i want just the movie but i use Intervideo DVDcopy 3 if i want to pick and chose the extras i want...anyone gonna advise me otherwise?....i'd always like to get the best/better quality but do usually want some extras and i can't be assed to do it over 2 disks

Excuse me but you have no idea what equipment I'm using.



Let's get this straight, I wasn't *recommending* Shrink, I merely put it forward as an alternative to the subject application, as I did with RB. And I didn't say there was no difference between original discs and Shrink encoded ones, only that the ones I have done have been satisfactory for my own uses




Again, assumptions based on words you put in my mouth.

The rest is interesting reading, and as I said I'm interested in trying RB.

Understandable?

I'm sorry but you have made it very clear:



Can be summarised by three quotes from you:




There's one of three possibilities:
1) Shit equipment
2) Broken eyes
3) Low standards.


And I wouldn't like to say the latter two about anyone, so there you go.

@bassline

I've not personally tried 2.50SP, but everyone seems to recommend the earlier version, so I can only assume its better.

If you want control over the output, ie stripping extras, one option is to use shrink to remove it all, and then output to a directory (Just make sure that the damn thing doesn't touch the Vobs with its transcoder), then get DVDrebuilder to downsample it.

If you do a 3/4 pass, and put extras on low quality, as long as the thing isn't chock-a-block with extras it will more than likely end up with a better result than Copy will be able to do. Although that's not always the case.

Best quality is acheivable through stripping , but then always falling back on a proper encoder be it TMPGenc or CCE (the latter being the better). I do sometimes fall back on Copy though, I've encouted a couple of disks that wouldn't copy in Rebuilder

oh I'd also add that my eyes are really crap, but I can tell the difference on my shitty 24" Panasonic CRT shitbox.

Last test I did, as you might have gathered was Family Guy DVD, with DVDcopy, 2pass DVDrebuilder job, a Shrink 'effort' and CloneDVD onto a DVDrw in a Pacific dvd player (+PC with a DELL 20.1" 2001FP in powerDVD and another with an illyama CRT monitor)

1) DVDrebuilder
2) DVDcopy
3) cloneDVD
4) Shrink

Kept everything in that test mind.

So am i right in saying DVDRebuilder will only do ALL extras or movie only?.

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damn you,you bloody edited after i read your post