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Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:44 am ] |
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*Split from a thread - new pc advise coolness, cant wait, ive ordered some of my new stuff finally to go in my bloody amazing best case ever pictures dont do it justice believe me i got some hdd fans (4 to be precise), a necessity with maxtor.. so im told personally had no overheating problems myself, which is amazing, Again so im told Fan - http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=3028 PSU - http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=389V GFX - http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=3MFP now i just need to get myself a nice 64bit amd processor (are all 64bits dual core?) and a motherboard and im sorted for taking things to a newer level, incidently im having real trouble finding a motherboard to fit my needs, if anyone can help, i need/want one with 5-6 pci slots x16 PCI-E compatibility 3-4 ddr ram slots (reminds me need to buy some of that) nforce 3 or 4 chipset socket 939 |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:18 am ] |
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lol, best case ever if you want some gimmicky butt ugly piece of crap. Sorry about that, but i'm seriously not liking the look myself, and it looks cramped inside the case which is the most important bit. I'd look at air flow and space over gimmicks and asthetics. I have a Eclipse62, now that's a quality case, probably about x2 as much as that case costs though but its got what you really need if you use your pc and update. ![]() I'm sure its adequet as a case though, but its so not the best case I've seen by a long way. If your case had good airflow, you'd only need one 120mm fan @ the front of the hdd. I have 2x 120mm fans, a silent cpu fan and a high quality PSU, which means the heat is very low and it really doesn't make any noise you can hear very loudly. Big on the flashing lights i take it? ![]() Personally, i'd get a silent fan, a way better psu (dabs value are crap, and i take it it doesn't have PCIExpress power cables and ATX2.0?) and a nvidia card. You'd be better off with a nvidia card, especially if your interested in windows64, since ati are pathetic when it comes to drivers. The nvidia benchmarks also beat the ATIs current crop. You seem to be working backwards though, shouldn't you have chosen a CPU and a motherboard, then a quality fan, a GFX card, and then worry about cases and shit? That's kinda working backwards choosing a case before anything else! ![]() DFI are a quality make for mainboards. nforce3 is way out of date. You only need 3 ram slots, more are a bonus. 5-6 pci slots? ![]() 2 x NIC (one probably Gigabit ether) ~8x USB ~2x Firewire ATA and SATA RAID Quality sound device. I can't think what other pci cards you need, wireless and that's about it. If you get SLI motherboard, then you have 2xPCI-E, it might be a good idea to have a further 2 smaller PCI-E, then you only need one or 2 PCI ports. I hope you've not bought your psu, gfx card or fan, or you don't agree/care about those comments. |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:16 am ] | ||
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if i wanted that i wouldve bought your case, after having googled your case i think ill just ignore all comments, the case you have looks much more cramped then the one i have by miles, remove the side panel and your case also looks like it should house a pentium 2 infact i didn't know you were an author spud ![]() |
Author: | fileslasher [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:03 pm ] |
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god damn thats a nice screenshot ![]() |
Author: | PC_Arcade [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:33 pm ] |
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Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:03 pm ] |
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hehe glad you like it made me laugh as i was doing it ![]() |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:00 am ] | ||||
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Well you know what they say, ignorance is bliss ![]() ![]() For example: http://www.3dprofessor.com/review.asp?id=80 You see how those pci ports fill up the entire case? No? Thought not.
EATX are f*cking huge, loads of space. i think your google's broken. As far as the graphics cards comments go, if your happy not upgrading to 64bit it doesn't that matter, however my comments are based on the fact Nvidia are clearly a better board manufacturer when it comes to drivers. ati are an absolute farce when it comes to linux drivers, I'm sure you can dig a linux user up to "google" for this confirmation you'll find it. It took ATI nearly a year to make 64bit drivers, and if you 'google' for a win64 user, once again, he'll tell you its wank. Given this, and your interest in a 64bit processor it might be an idea to 'google' a bit more. The short period when ATI was king has unfortunately passed, its kind of a locked horn battle, but with ATI sluggish to support new operating systems, and doing such a crap job at that (i mean linux is a very old os, and they still don't give it any attention), its a choice that needs a bit of thought about. ps. if you don't like feedback, which is what you asked for then at least don't make some "looks cramped" google crap up. I didn't mean to insult your choice because it sounds like your taking it personally, but i don't want to deceive you into thinking i would have made any of those hardware choices at this point in time in time. Speaking as an aside, where on earth did you come up with that cramped crap btw? ![]() ![]() http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eclips ... B:official What did you search for? |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:14 am ] |
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or if you what some first hand pictures with a athlon64 board in and a huge fan and heat sink i can take some photos of the case next a server tower to show you? I have a Chieftec case sat next to it. Chieftec make those rather nice chasis cases too, but there's better ones on the market obviously. But the price for them is a lot cheaper and its one of the best in its price range too. No flashing sirens or fog horns though ![]() |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:17 pm ] |
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actually i did google it and found a shot of it from a sort of front/side view and it looked really really cramped from what i saw im not taking it personally, i appreciate the feedback but it was more the way you put it across that your opinion is the correct one and no1 elses was valid that got my feckles up ![]() although i still cant find a gigabyte board (the only make to buy) with nfroce 4 etc etc, stupid dabs with they're stock picture of 1 motherboard that they use for every item, how are you supposed to make an informed decision on the specs alone (which aren't written very clearly either) |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:05 pm ] | ||||
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well if you want me to deceive you and tell you i'd buy any of those particular choices i can do, its your money, if you don't want advice on making the best pc it doesn't really mean that much to you. Enjoy the flashing fan lights everything, as i said its adequet as is a case. I was going to post some advice on other hardware choices at first, but i hesitated because i'm not sure you even want someone to tell you why they think the choices aren't very good. Screw it though, here's what i was going to post originally here:
Ignore it if you choose, your money, but if you think its bad advise i'd like to know better alternatives at least. ![]() |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:00 pm ] |
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well while i do want a good machine im also limited to how much cash i have to spend on it all (working at argos isn't the glamourous well paid job it's portrayed to be ![]() when i bought my case i actually went round a lot of shops, and sites to see what i could find and read reviews and checked things out the one i got actually also has a seperate space for the psu, a tray to take out for the motherboard, removable mounting trays for 5-6 hdds, removable trays for 2 fdd, and 5-6 removeable mounting trays for cd/dvd drives which to be honest i think is a pretty nice idea as it saves having to really reach into the nether realms of your pc i used to use overclockers.co.uk a fair bit but ive not been there in a long time, ive been a long time nvidia user, but recently ive been seeing lots of ati's thrashing nvidia on friends computers and such, so i thought id give ati a try for a change, the proof as they say will be in the gaming pudding still gotta buy the mobo, ram and processor, im definately gonna get a 64bit amd processor tho, but im not installing windows 64bit until more programs support it, but at least when they do i will have the tech to support |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:06 pm ] |
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i spent a shit load on a machine, over a grand, but that was the first time i'd ever done that and was soley because i choose a Athlon64 4000+. The machine works like a cool son of a bitch. Athlon64 3400+ with 1mb is a sound choice, i was going to get it until i changed my mind and got the beast of a 4000+ The motherboard, I still think the DFI Lanparty has all the stuff you need although its a bit more money than gigabyte alternatives., except for the excessive amount of pci ports, are you actually using them? It has SLI which is two PCI-E large, 3 small PCI-E and two pci iirc. Gigabit ether, 100mbps lan, hardware firewall, firewire, usb, all that jazz. RAM, PCA recommend crucial, its worked great so so do i. Get it direct from crucial.com . Just enter the motherboard you want then get some DDR333 |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:01 pm ] | ||
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yeah i wouldnt get any ram but crucial motherboards come with hardware firewalls now? ![]() do the dfi boards have all the stuff i need and raid tho? (i thought raid came as standard these days) |
Author: | spudthedestroyer [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:16 pm ] |
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actually twinmos is normally better quality but its the price and effort extra, crucial has its business model setup right. DFI motherboards do, infact its nvidia nforce 4 provided i think so a few of them may do. Its on the chip, blocks all the stuff you need. I have anti-hacker mode on, but i let the router's firewall handle most of the stuff. So i don't run any firewall software at all on it, just avg virus scanner. I would be amazed if you can find a 939 board without RAID, the DFI I have is SATAII compatible with, SATA RAID, and IDE RAID. I have two sata drives in raid 0. Works well. Only "problem" with the DFI was the RAM wasn't detected as crucial claimed it was so i set the setting to what it should be. Doesn't increase the heat so i don't know why it was a setting below in some cases. you can run the smartguardian software and run the southbridge fan speeds low and there's no real noise. In real term values, I have a Geforce 6800 GT (older card) now, AMD 4000+, DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI-D, 1GB of decent crucial ram, and 2 x wd sata drives, i play Rome: Total War on 1600x1200, with 2x AA and all the settings on highest or one below, slow down only occurs in 1000+ vs 1000+ troops and if its in high speed mode only, otherwise fps is very high. There is slow down when there's a huge city with several thousand troops (well rome only really). This is because its in 1600x1200 though bearing in mind, on a lower setting it has no problem. in terms of most impact on games: CPU > GFX > Motherboard > RAM (amount/specs) in terms of impact on just running the machine: CPU > Motherboard > RAM (amount/specs) > GFX Thats why i would skimp on the none core components, and make sure you choose the best cpu and motherboard for your needs. If your motherboard is a bottleneck it slows everything down, ram is multitasking and size, and gfx card is solely for gaming when it needs a lot of money spent on it. Athlon 3400+ is probably surpassed now, but make sure you check the specs for the amount of cache it has, 1mb is greatly better than 512kb. |
Author: | barry [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:08 pm ] | ||
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My two cents(euro of course) nForce 3 is only AGP. nForce 4 is PCI-E, so it's nForce 4 for you. 5-6 PCI? No, not an option on any PCI-E board. Most is 2 or 3 as there'll also be two PCI-E 1x lanes, or another 16x for SLI boards. I'd suggest the MSI K8N Neo 4 series, but the DFI's also have an excellent reputation. Most Athlon 64's are single core. But all AMD dual core's are 64bit. Currently I'm on Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (twin 2.2GHz cores with 1Meg of cache.) 2Gb of RAM (Corsair XMS) MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum (AGP) MSI Geforce 6800(AGP) 400GB striped RAID array. |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:26 pm ] | ||
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how come theres no pci-e mobos with more pci slots? just out of curiosity well i use my pc mostly for gaming and video encoding (although im keeping my old (current) computer to encode on so it can do it all in the background and not ruin the gaming experience) so in theory thats 1 less pci slot i need in this i guess, but saying that my current computers only got a 32meg riva tnt2 in it after my geforce FX 5600 256meg melted ![]() so really my new comp will mostly be for gaming i regret to say it spud but i took a look at dfi.com and there are some nice motherboards on there /me eats humble yorkshire pudding incidently what would this read like to you
would that say it has 1 pci-e x16 and 2 pci-e x1 = 3pci slots, or would it say 3 pci-e and 3 normal pci slots? also is it just dfi that have the ram slots running along the top rather then down the side? coz i like the concept behind that http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... _uid=92676 also about the inchip firewall. is it any good? and would it mean i dont ahve to use sygay firewall (which i hate with a passion) also whats all this venice/barton/opteron stuff about? is it jsut different chip names? (ive been out of the whole computer tech game for about 6months-year since leaving college |
Author: | barry [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:47 pm ] | ||||||||||
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Simply not enough space.
It's on 16x lane PCI-E, 2 1x lane PCI-E and 3x old fashioned PCI slots. Remember that more lanes in PCI-E tends to mean a bigger slot.
Don't know, use firewall in my router.
Venice and San Diego are the two current single core chips, with 1/2 meg of cache and 1 meg respectively. Both are 90nm, better memory controllers, and SSE3 extensions. Barton is the last revision of the Athlon XP's and is obsolete and no longer manufactured. And therefore irrelevent. Opteron is the server version of the Athlon 64, coming in both single and dual core forms, they are also multiprocessor capable. |
Author: | barry [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:53 pm ] | ||
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Er what? DDR333? Why would you do that to him? |
Author: | maxpayne2409 [ Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:13 pm ] | ||||
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isnt 3200 out now or something? |
Author: | barry [ Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:32 am ] | ||||||
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Been out for some time, hence my confusion. |
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