The views and opinions expressed in the previous post where not those of the poster
I was hypothesising that ONE might say!

And gorehound, I was saying well said to his approval that Scream was good.
I wasn't going to touch on the rest of his post with a barge poll LOL

My list of fave Horror Directors work would look like :

Carpenter : Halloween 1+2 and The Thing
Cronenberg : VideoDrome, The Fly, Rabid
Craven : LHOTL, Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream

Now that is my own personal list of the films I've enjoyed the most and rank quite hish as my faves.

But I would say I thought existenz was very clever as was Mouth of Madness and Shivers i thought really crap, but once I learned/relaised the hidden message or what ever behind the film, It was a very agreeable film the second time around!

So the question is :
A) Would old Wesser even be in your list Spud
B) What film/s would it be!

I'm asking for your own personal list not a list of films YOU admit are probably good but you thought crap.

So any1 slagging off such a list would be a muppet, coz it's personal preference!

Be interesting to see whether deep, down in your heart of hearts you can claim any Wesser film as decent in your own mind

And i seriousley need to revisit Cronenberg's films, because i was 15/16 when i saw the bulk of them and I think was a bit immature to fully understand them!
And I think we could go on for days and days so maybe splitting this thread and locking it would be a good idea, before we witness the return of maxpayne2409

I'm seriousley not gonna post further on the subject if or if not you post a list!

Now I must go, and wank over my signed foto of Wes, muuuhhhaaaaaa :-o

Too late baby (bruce campbell style speaking), the man is back



eeww dont get me started on how bad the stephen king version of the shining was compared to the magnificent jack nicholson version i mean only jack can really be "johnny" (fair enough if you like stephen kings works) carrie...meh i wasnt too impressed (shall we both agree to forget the sequel even exists? ), stand by me was ok if only because anything with Wil Wheaton in has me in stitches coz he will always be a snivveling "comic sidekick" twat to me


blah blah blah rants on and on about off topic conversation

Its perfectly natural for us, the underdogs, to rebel against the mainstream, the establishment. So, once something becomes too popular, we harbor ill iwll towards it. Wes Craven has made too much money, so he sucks. Everyone likes Scream, so it sucks. I've worked hard not to do that with horror.
Action, on the other hand, is a different story.
For me, The Matrix and Kill Bill both suffered worse fates because of their hype. Now, this isn't plot hype or whatever. Its just the general "it made a lot of money and is great" type. For me, both fall in the 7 to 7.5 range, realistically. Not a bad score, really. But when I talk about them to fans, I'm forced to be much more critical. I don't want some chumpstain who's never seen wu xia films telling me how great and original the fight scenes in The Matrix are. Or some geek telling me that Kill Bill is a great flashback to the 70's. Wow, really? I think I got that. Problem is that I've seen most of the crap he's referencing, and, while fun, its not that great. And the movie that he's making is just a pastiche that people who would never watch those films will watch because of his name on it. And its so shallow. "Oh, but its so wicked cool and dazzling." Its an action blockbuster with a bit more blood than most. That's it. Nothing more. After you're done, go watch Termnator 3 and itll have the same effect.

Oh yeah, I didn't read most of this page, so I'm sure that my "arguments" might not be too relevant. This topic is too long and too off topc. Maybe a split is in order...

actually i jsut personally thought scream sucked in general, regardless of who likes it

Totally, there is a number of "mainstream" movies that people say they hate but have in their collections and have seen enough to have a 5 page conversation about. Though some movies are just crap.. like Kill Bill in my opinion. go to the source instead of that rip off garbage Samurai Movies @ Filehaven (wat was he thinking telling us the ending of the movie in the first few mints??)

Carrie is xclent I reckon.. I mean there was a certain freedom of expression and style in the 70's... now with the "must have 4 character introductions and one interaction by page 15" type crap, movies now have to fit ever more constricting set of rules just to get by the producers...

I think it is a good time for films. Fans are getting more and more disappointed and annoyed about this type of stuff and are begging for someone to break the mold...

And that is wat will happen... some legend will make a few instant cult, cheap as movies and make zillions of fans and then end up a producer and open a way for better film making. It is only a matter of time... like the music scene but slower and the independent movie scene is bigger than it ever has been, with the internet independent film makers are getting so much more exposure than they used to.


I think that deserves respect though... I find amazing ideas "story" wise or what I'll call here a "Consept picture" can make crap dialogue, bad production and the like be easily ignored. (concept picture = Aliens.... going in search of Newt, end of film, music ramping up.. flying the dropship in alien nest, an exploding nuclear reactor, fire, electricity.. hell... just superb sci-fi imagery all the elements of film making working together in a single shot)

DAMN right!!!

Misery, The Shawshank Redemption?

PS, if you split this topic it might break the convo.. I dig chatting about films like this, I mean everyone has there opinions but it is listening to others well though out arguments witch allows you to learn. Can never get to much infomation.

i will definately agree with that, ive seen lots of films because of the internet that otherwise i would never have heard of ever, psyclops being one

its was a cheapish independant movie which personally i thought was really good and almost felt like some sort of classic like the original karloff frankenstein or something (plus the white chick with black hair in it was really cute )



i thoroughly agree, when things get broken up people start to forget about it and jsut casually dont bother and it ruins a good conversation, plus the way i see it who cares if something goes off topic? thats part of the fun of forums, most of the interesting conversations spring up by accident, just look at teh massive 4-5pages of off topic conversation me paul and spud made on a survival horror thread lol

Ditto, I just don't think its very good.

*Split topic*

I have to say that the only reason why you dissagree is that you have a different opinion.

no shit sherlock

/me hands john a pipe and crap hat

I really hate the Scream movies, they take the loathsome, smug ?look at me, I?m a 25 year old high school kid? element of American media and smear it all over the so called ?horror? genre. They?re by no means solely responsible, but certainly a big enabler for all the modern ?ironic horror? films that think it?s perfectly okay to not be scary in the slightest so long as they slip lots of references and meta references in.

Nightmare on Elm Street is one of my favourite films of any genre, and I also consider New Nightmare to be a good watch, so for that, I?m thankful to Craven. However, outside of Last House, which I respect for being genuinely uncomfortable viewing, he hasn?t contributed much quality.

Carpenter has a more solid record with Halloween and The Thing being stand outs for me, and of course some great music composition. I never really thought of Cronenberg as a horror director, but certainly as one of the best around. I always look forward to seeing one of his films.

Are we still arguing Scream here? Its fun, but it will go nowhere.
Or are we just arguing prejudice? It seems pretty obvious that you guys have no prejudice and cannot be affected by anything external. I'm the only one weak enough for that.
So, waht's left? Craven good or bad?
Craven is good because he made Last House, Hills Have Eyes, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Scream. I'm surprised that so many people liked New Nightmare. I saw that opening weekend and it sucked. My advice to Craven (same advice I'd give him after the Scream sequels) is don't use the same scares over again. Puppeteering and licking phones are only scary once. Then, they become stupid. Oh, and if you can't make an effect look good (like the puppeteering) don't use it..

I think half of us are saying we don't like any/many of Craven's films, the others are saying its prejudice to say such a thing since he's 'contributed' so much and everyone else is calling for some kind of truce/conclusion. Oh and then there's sherlock holmes in the mix

So take your pick



Try pm'ing him

I thought we finished this discussion/thread a couple of days ago?

Wheres the post where spud categorically apologised for everything he said, and agreed
he was wrong / outaline and begged forgiveness from us Scream fans and went out to buy
the box set and watch all three in a Scream-athon, dressed up in the Ghostface costume?

Has a mod deleted it and tarnished this thread



You never know - could a happened

you know I tried watching 'Scream 3' 3 times, but always fell asleap aboot 20 minutes in. There's a hex on that film I tell ya. sleeptastic.

you see Dark City doe? Kiefer Sutherland enters your house whilst you sleep with a syringe of sticky stuff

In my opinion movies like "Scream" or "Iknow at u did in last summer" is for people that doesn?t like real horror movies and i give a example,my wife hates horror movies but loves movies of the kind of "Scream"...why? This kind of movies only uses superficial horror and gore,they intend to be like that...superficial horror movies.Thats the kind of movie that i watch with my 8 years old son.

I guess that's true, its the same with most people who 'don't like horror' that I know who think its a good film. Just baffles me that its held in such high regard is all, but everyone knows my opinion of it by now

paul-scream22, yeah that post must have been deleted along with my post about HHAH closing and being replaced by a dedicated Care Bears site

OMG away 4 a few hours and this thread explodes!!

RU sure? dont wish to elaborate any futher?

i like IKWYDLS

I knew it

And I gotta say that that's probably the one thing I don't like about being a fan of Scream is that it is seen as a stereo-typical horror.
But I stick by my guns and not ashamed to say it rocks

Will this thread ever end!
It's all Spuds fault for voicing his opinion

And then 3 of the 649 users on the board attacking him for it

my bad, next time I'll vote labour... instead of void vote. Let Tony think for me