Exorcist: The Beginning

Eclipse · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:23 pm **Post subject:** Exorcist: The Beginning

One new exorcist is coming out,i just hope that this dont gona be the same crap like exorcist 2 and 3. The director Renny Harlin is well know by movies like:

Nightmare on Elm Street 4
Prison
Die Hard 2
Cliffhanger
Cutthroat island
Deep Blue Sea
T.R.A.X
Mindhunters

Renny Harlin has all the conditions to make a great movie like William Friedkin did...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204313/

Jynks · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:42 pm **Post subject:**

3 wasn't that bad.

PC_Arcade

Eclipse wrote:

One new exorcist is coming out,i just hope that this dont gona be the same crap like exorcist 2 and 3. The director Renny Harlin is well know by movies like:

Nightmare on Elm Street 4
Prison
Die Hard 2
Cliffhanger
Cutthroat island
Deep Blue Sea
T.R.A.X
Mindhunters

Those films were TERRIBLE (the ones I've seen anyway), Renny Harlin is a god awful director IMO, did I miss something that would lead one to conclude :

Quote:

Renny Harlin has all the conditions to make a great movie like William Friedkin did...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204313/

??

paul-scream22 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:05 pm **Post subject:**

I was just going to post, what the hell would Renny do to an excorcist sequel

One to avoid, I can handle his action flicks coz they ahve some good stunts, but he's not known for great story lines etc etc!

CliffHanger I really liked!

TaKYoN · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:29 pm **Post subject:**

Gotta say I was well unimpressed when I first saw the exorcist all those moons ago, I thoughtit was actually laughably bad, and the sequels were just pure shit too. Can't say I am looking forward to this much.

Obviously I will still watch it just to see, plus the fact I like shitty films cos they funny.

paul-scream22 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:34 pm **Post subject:**

Yes - I agree TaKYoNtheKoRRuPTeD, it depends on the mood and setting of when you watch the film!

The first time i ever saw it was at an art house cinema most proably with film lovers and we really got into it and it was very chilling and I loved every minute and thought it was a well crafted scare fest etc etc.

of course I then decided to drag my friends to go see it - scare the hell out of em etc etc.

And it was on Halloween night one year and we went to the local cineplex to see it.

But the crowd was very different and were laghing at it and taking the piss and it did come accross as some old dated piece of horror that had lost it's appeal!

Just my story of how surroundings/mood can effect our opinion on a film :roll:

TaKYoN · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:46 pm **Post subject:**

Twas the same with me, it was a group of us and we spent the whole time basically laughing at it. Problem was I was pretty young and had heard how scarey etc it was, just sorta shattered the illusion I guess.

Eclipse

PC_Arcade wrote:

Those films were TERRIBLE (the ones I've seen anyway), Renny Harlin is a god awful director IMO, did I miss something that would lead one to conclude :

Quote:

Renny Harlin has all the conditions to make a great movie like William Friedkin did...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204313/

??

I didnt say that he is a good director,but he is a know director wich means that the warner bros. is betting in this movie.
By the way,this film has gathered some controversy over the fact that director Paul Schrader was replaced by Renny Harlin to head 10 weeks of reshoots. Harlin is not expected to get any credit for the film.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:05 pm **Post subject:**

Die Hard 2 is alright, its no where near as good as the first, but I don't think that's possible. I really enjoyed it infact. Suffers from not having a Gruber in it, but its still pretty cool.

Deep Blue sea isn't *that* bad either, at least sam jackson pops it :lol:

As for the film, there's been a few deaths (Exorcist1 has the highest death count of people related to the movie if i remember correctly) and a lead actor has backed out (was it laim neeson or someone, i forget?) :lol:

TaKYoN · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:28 pm **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

As for the film, there's been a few deaths (Exorcist1 has the highest death count of people related to the movie if i remember correctly) and a lead actor has backed out (was it laim neeson or someone, i forget?) :lol:

Damn those pussies, they need to get a larger set of spuds, no punintended LOL

emoboy · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:54 pm **Post subject:**

from what i read Schrader first shoot the movie and made a pretty straight drama and period piece about spiritual-angst, Stellan Skarsg?rdd in the lead, which considering his oeuvre (Schrader's)isn?t very surprising. but then all of a sudden the geniuses at Warner found out who they gave the project to, got scared and axed it. actually the concept by Schrader sounded very promising, toning down the horror elements.

here from deep-focus.com

Quote:

EXORCISING PAUL SCHRADER

Paul Schrader doesn't think much of horror movies. He says as much in his commentary for his remake of Cat People, which catches him in the act of grossly underestimating his film's much superior predecessor.

Naturally, the geniuses in Hollywood hired him to make a sequel to The Exorcist. Now they're regretting their decision.

Look, I think Schrader's film should be released as he shot it, based on the Caleb Carr script that Morgan Hill apparently paid for. But you didn't have to be a genius (fifth item from the top) to predict that this particular venture wasn't going to have a happy ending for anyone involved. Why is it so hard for the movie industry to match directors with interesting, appropriate scripts?
Posted by Bryant at August 14, 2003 01:53 AM | TrackBack

here another piece on the controversy iwth the studio
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film ... ory=431680

Eclipse · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:36 am **Post subject:**

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film ... ory=431680

Thanks emoboy,its a very good article about the controversy with the directors of this movie.

paul-scream22 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:44 am **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

Die Hard 2 is alright, its no where near as good as the first, but I don't think that's possible. I really enjoyed it infact. Suffers from not having a Gruber in it, but its still pretty cool.

Well at least we agree on that Spud.
Die hard 2 is a great fim and I really get mad when people say oh Die hard 2 was crap, Die hard 1 was the best. Coz YES Die Hard 1 was the better film but Die hard 2 was still good!

aaahhh I remember going down to rent Die hard and it being out, and the shop assistant saying we've got DFie Hard 2 in

So I watched 2 before 1, which was a bit mad

But loved em both!!!

NumberNine · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:32 pm **Post subject:**

http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/fe ... ?id=124036

From Mark Kermode, generally considered the biggest Exorcist geek on the face of the planet.

paul-scream22 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:28 pm **Post subject:**

Cheers NumberNine, for that link.

Was very interesting!

It's a shame about the Exorcist, but they will go for the big cash in instead of the rock solid Exorcist movie :cry:

And from what he say's I would love to see a directors cut DVD of legion, but that ain't gonna happen!

NumberNine · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:57 pm **Post subject:**

Speaking of DVDs, from IMDb news...

Quote:

Ditched 'Exorcist' Movie To Be Released on DVD

Veteran director Paul Schrader is furious his axed prequel to 1973 horror classic The Exorcist will be released on DVD at the same time as its replacement - because he wants it to receive a theatrical release. American Gigolo film-maker Schrader - who also scripted Taxi Driver and Raging Bull - had completed shooting his version of Exorcist: The Beginning when studio Morgan Creek insisted it needed more gore. Schrader, who saw the story as a "character-driven period drama", was sacked and replaced by Nightmare On Elm Street 4: The Dream Master director Renny Harlin to give it a more bloody look. Harlin then started shooting the $54 million prequel from scratch. But an upset Schrader says, "I'm very proud of my film, and I think it deserves to be seen." Exorcist: The Beginning is due to be released in cinemas later this year with the DVD release date as yet announced.

MCMLXXXVIII · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:18 pm **Post subject:**

NumberNine wrote:

Speaking of DVDs, from IMDb news...

So the two versions are going to be released seperately? I thought that Harlin's reshot version was meant to replace Shrader's original version?

ManicMiner · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:52 pm **Post subject:**

To complicate things a bit, there seems to be conflicting reports about how Schrader is feeling about the DVD release.

From Dark Horizons:

Quote:

So what's the hottest rumoured bootleg tape out there now? That security footage of a 'Rings' star having a good time in an elevator? The gossiped about but highly suspect Colin Farrell orgy tape? (if it exists and anyone has a copy, my address is at 'Contact' below and hey, today's my birthday).

In actual fact, it's Paul Schraeder's original cut of "Exorcist: The Beginning". Somehow a rough cut is out there and floating around, and more than a few people are trying to get their hands on it in hopes of checking out the film which til now its thought probably would never see the light of day as Warners will be releasing the completely reshot Renny Harlin-directed prequel in August. To be able to compare the two films would be a rare treat as in almost all vaguely similar cases, the original cut would be destroyed. Today it sounds like quite a few of us will get to do just that.

Variety reports that Morgan Creek topper James Robinson has plans: He's seeking to have Warner Bros. release both helmers' ?Exorcist? pics simultaneously on DVD. This move would cause a variety of potential problems (DGA accreditations, marketing interest surveys, etc.). If Warners were to accept the idea, it's also unsure how the release would be handled.

Robinson though says the films are distinct enough that it'll generate interest - "This is going to sound unbelievable, but we made a movie - twice. If you see the two movies, you wouldn't believe it's the same d.p. It's almost like a case study (in the difference a director can make". One notable difference is budgets - Schrader's more introspective talky drama cost $32-35 mil, Harlin's action oriented version came in at $52-54 million.

Schrader himself seems keen on the idea - "I'm very proud of my film, and I think it deserves to be seen. If I get the DVD, I can say 'God bless you Renny; may your film do well...The situation is in some ways the ultimate film school exercise, though you usually don't give each director $35 million to make their film".

And if anybody sees even a hint of that bootleg copy of Schrader's version - you know what to do

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:57 pm **Post subject:**

indeed, i think the whole state of affairs is totally fucked up. I can't fathom what is going on until I see the two films, but i suspect we are all going to get screwed with a substandard version taking all the credit.

Ah well, hopefully we get at least one good film out of this mess.

Eclipse · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:47 pm **Post subject:**

I hope that the both versions come out. :mrgreen:

Exorcist: The Beginning

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