Vienna Actionist (1964-1970) (Experimental) (VHS)*added cd3*

trep · Last edited by trep on Fri May 28, 2004 2:06 pm, edited 7 times in total.

INFO:
Read about Muehl in "Film as a subversive art":

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Muehl's films -- of which Sodoma is the most famous -- are based on his notorious "Materialaktionen"; live happenings, involving nude protagonists in real and extravagant acts of sexual violence and defilement. Clearly derived from dada-surrealist anti-aestheticism, these public performances predictably caused police prosecution, scandals, and near-riots in various countries. They invade the spectator's defense mechanism and value systems in a manner comparable perhaps only to the slitting of the woman's eyeball in Bunuel's Un Chien Andalou or Franju's deceptive documentary of the slaughter-houses, The Blood of the Beasts.

An essential interview with Otto M?hl
On Rudolf Schwarzkogler
More on Schwarzkogler

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A collection of shorts made between 1964 & 1970 by the notorious avant-garde group The Vienna Actionists, which consisted of Otto Muehl, Gunter Brus, Kurt Kren, Otmar Bauer & Rudolf Schwarzkogler. The Actionists were a group of artists who believed that "art is flesh & blood" and they filled all of their art, their writings, their paintings, their sculptures and their films with some of the most extreme, vile, shocking and disturbing images ever conceived.

Included on this DVD are the shocking short experimental films Sodoma, Mama And Papa, Oh Sensibility, Leda Und Der Schwann, O Tannenbaum, Stille Nacht, Cosinus Alpha, Scheiss-Kerl, Impudence In Grunwald, Psychotik-Party, and the notorious Otmar Bauer Presents.

This DVD is filled with extremely offensive and questionable images.

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TAPE ONE

01. KARDINAL
02. MICHELANGELO
03. PSYCHO-MOTORISCHE ger?uschaktion (M?ehl)
04. WEHRERT?CHTIGUNG
05. TITLE UNKNOWN
06. SODOMA (Muehl)
07. SATISFACTION (M?ehl, Schwarzkogler, Brus)
08. LIBI 68 (M?ehl)
09. AMORE 68 (M?ehl)
10. OH SENSIBILITY (M?ehl)
11. SCHEISS-KERL (M?ehl, Kren, Koeck)
12. 6/64 MAMA UND PAPA (Kren)
13. 7/64 LEDA MIT DEM SCHWAN (Kren)
14. 9/64 O TANNENBAUM (Kren)
15. COSINUS ALPHA (Kren)
16. MANOPSYCHOTIEK (Sieger, Muehl) with Romila Doll, Mica Must

TAPE TWO
01. OTMAR BAUER ZEIGT (Bauer)
02. IMPUDENZ IM GRUNEWALD 69 (Brus) Teil 1, Teil 2, Teil 3
03. 16/67 20. SEPTEMBER (Kren, Brus)
04. TITLE UNKNOWN
05. TITLE UNKNOWN
06. INVESTMENT (M?ehl)
07. PSYCHOTIEK-PARTY (M?ehl, w.M.Most, R. Doll)
08. STILLE NACHT (H.P. Kochenrath) .O. M?ehl at Germany 1970
09. performance G.BRUS: ZERREISSPROBE
10. JUNI 1970 AKTIONSRAUM 1 M?nchen

Specs:

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FPS: 23.976
Size: 512 x 384
Video bitrate (kbps): 1301 (1st & 2nd CD) - 1004 (3rd CD)
Video codec: ffmpeg
Audio codec: mp3
MP3 quality: 0
Channels: 2
Sample rate: 48000
Audio bitrate (kbps): 128

A note on the source: First there were some old scratched 16mm or 8mm movies; then somebody made a VHS out of it; someone else made a bootleg copy,another one encoded a DVDR from the bootleg (doing a so-so work).Finally I reencoded the .mpegs in the DVDR in these 3 .avi files. I really tried to do my best, but don't expect too much.

Viennese Aktionism is a complex and varied artistic movement - so these shorts are very different one from another (although most are from Muehl - the most light-hearted of the actionists, it seems to me - and there is nothing by the deadpan Nischt). If you want to know more I recommend warmly the book Writings of the Vienna Actionists (ed. Malcolm Green), you can often find it used @amazon.

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Introduction of the book "Writings of the Vienna Actionists"
Malcom Green - Writings of the Vienna Actionists - INTRODUCTION - jpgs.rar

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First CD (700MB):
Muehl - Kren - Brus - Schwarzkogler -- Vienna Actionists VOL 1 - CD1.avi

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Second CD (670MB):
Muehl - Kren - Brus - Schwarzkogler -- Vienna Actionists VOL 1 - CD2.avi

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Third CD (656MB):
Muehl - Kren - Brus - Schwarzkogler -- Vienna Actionists VOL 2.avi

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d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 3:43 pm **Post subject:**

wtf, so you are really going on with this crap version? this should be 4cds in the first place, the 780 dont look good.. cant you do a dvdr of this as i told you to.... then we get the whola thing in one file and with excelent quality.... can you please do it dvdr since the orginal movie is in very bad shape and the dvd is not more than 2,4gig... this should spread fast in dvdr version since its not 4.7gig... as it is now ppl dont want it and it will not spread, to much files and crapy rip quality and one file over the 700mb... not good at all..

Emperor · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 3:58 pm **Post subject:**

Hey wuzz that with the third cd beiin 780 mb ??? Why don't you do a dvdr like doc sais i think this will suit people more, you release looks nice but i think this will not work this way, maybe you want do it again on dvdr ?!?!?!

or make two avi of 700 mb :mrgreen:

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 4:20 pm **Post subject:**

dOc , I perfectly know how to rip a DVDR; in linux you use DVDbackup - I did it, it came out 3.6G in size. My problem is that I asked around in other forums and nobody was going to download 3.6G of this stuff; so I tried again to rip it with some other filters and the end result looks just as good (or as bad) as that on the DVDR, just with less resolution, but with material of this quality (bootleg) that's not so important.

This is a good version, bitrate is >1kbps. I may provide a sample if you want.

About the sizes: this is my 5th try in ripping this movie (like 8 hours every damned try ) and there's no way I can foretell the sizes of the files. Usually it's easy, but with this DVD it doesn't work. As anyone can cut a piece of the last CD and merge with the second one if he doesn't feel like burning a 800MB CD, I'll leave it this way.

So, it's this or nothing I'm afraid. Kill me :eatthis:

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Unit-731 · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 4:29 pm **Post subject:**

well, writing overburn cdr doesn't bother me, and these "performance" looks extremely shocking and interesting, thanks for your work trep

im downloading it right now :lol:

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 5:14 pm **Post subject:**

u should try dvddecrypter... i dunno if it is for linux.. but it is the best and if your dvd is total on 2,4gig it will give you 2.4gig. its so easy to use its only one click to kill the css... and you will get a perfect copy as long there is no need for compression. we here at hhah have no problem with dvdr (most of us) as long the dvdr is not 4.7gig this should be good to spread. we sure dont want a 3 disk ripped movie and with one disk over the 700mb limit, the release rules is maximum 700mb per cdr... if not it is not worth releasing... but the best is to get this movie on two 700mb cdr... so the cry babys that cant handle dvdr but that love divx will be happy, and that u should be able to do and also keep the quality to 1% loss...

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 5:24 pm **Post subject:**

Unit-731 wrote:

well, writing overburn cdr doesn't bother me, and these "performance" looks extremely shocking and interesting, thanks for your work trep

im downloading it right now :lol:

well its becouse of you we have alof of crap released on the internett... where are your quality insigth and standards?? we want quality not quantity.. and i know trep can do it better than this....

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 5:37 pm **Post subject:**

d0c wrote:

but the best is to get this movie on two 700mb cdr... so the cry babys that cant handle dvdr but that love divx will be happy, and that u should be able to do and also keep the quality to 1% loss...

How can you fit a 3 hours and an half movie in just two 700MB CDs? I don't understand you, d0c. This is crazy.

Getting more technical: the DVDR I bought had 2 titles. First title is 2hrs long. Second title is 1hr and an half long. My software won't let me rip the two titles at once. So I gave two CDs to the first, longer title and one CD to the shorter second title. Knowing all this you should understand why the second CD is undersized and the third oversized. Again, I could have cut&pasted things from the third CD on the second CD, so releasing three nice 700MB CDs, but doing I would have disrupted the separation between the two original VHSes; and then anybody can do that, so wtf...

Anyhow, I have 4 people already downloading it and other 3 in queue.

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 5:45 pm **Post subject:**

And, really, this is not a bad rip given the crappy DVDR it was ripped from.

The only non-standard thing is that the 2nd CD is undersized and the 3rd CD is oversized. I can try to fix this for you cutting and merging, as I said above, but I would prefere not to do it, as anyone can do it for oneself while the reverse process is not as easy.

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 6:49 pm **Post subject:**

SAMPLE (for the sceptics, ~6.8MB):
Muehl - Kren - Brus - Schwarzkogler -- Vienna Actionists VOL 1 - SAMPLE.avi

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 7:21 pm **Post subject:**

i think you should ask some of the expert here in how you best can fit 3 hours and a half movie on to 700mb cdrs, the 1 and half hour on 780mb thats not good at all. and yes you can fit 2 hours movie into one 700mb cdr it has been done before with good quality so its not impossible.

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 7:27 pm **Post subject:**

trep wrote:

I have 4 people already downloading it and other 3 in queue.

how many did give you a thank you for this?? one and he dont know what he clicks.... the rest are leechers and they are not going to help you spread this, they are going to delete(after they see what crap it is) or unshare straight away when they got it...

Unit-731 · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 7:40 pm **Post subject:**

d0c wrote:

well its becouse of you we have alof of crap released on the internett...

Ahem, thanks for the compliments...

its just no everyone got the luck (or enough money) to own a dvd-burner, that's why i prefer to write overburn cdrs than storing a 3Gb file on my hard-disk....

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 7:51 pm **Post subject:**

d0c wrote:

how many did give you a thank you for this?? one and he dont know what he clicks.... the rest are leechers and they are not going to help you spread this, they are going to delete(after they see what crap it is) or unshare straight away when they got it...

d0c, there are some of the best people on Fileheaven and Divxclasico downloading this one, so stop that social engineering :evil:

I'm sure this will spread quite well. I would have preferred to share the .vobs too, but as Unit said not everyone has a DVDR - actually, I haven't one (so I wouldn't even be able to backup the rip, and that's not good). In all the forums I've posted you are the only one that would go for the DVDR, and I have not the bw to share both, definitely.

Look, I'm trying to do my best. The movie is full of speckles and scratches and I couldn't crop the black bars because they come and go: this EATS UP A LOT OF "codec power". I understand you may feel unconfortable about it, but you're the only one complaining here.

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 8:13 pm **Post subject:**

share vobs??? jesus... is it that hard to make a image of a dvd... okay i give up... do with it what ever you want... this will be dead in a couple of months anyway..

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 8:19 pm **Post subject:**

d0c please stop acting up on this. There's no need to be a dick about it, download it or don't. I'm sure if you have any constructive comments, you can give them in a suitable way and I'm sure trep is willing to hear them. But reading through your post you don't offer any advice beyond your perception of what people are going to do given this that or the other, which is daft to say the least. :evil:

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The only non-standard thing is that the 2nd CD is undersized and the 3rd CD is oversized. I can try to fix this for you cutting and merging, as I said above, but I would prefere not to do it, as anyone can do it for oneself while the reverse process is not as easy.

I think its worth noting that it is impossible to overburn 780mb (95% of the time) without investing in either a DVDr burner or if your lucky enough to own one of a minority of burners to can overburn 780mb, different, more expensive and harder to obtain media.
However this is an easy thing to fix if you want. Split off 80-90mb of the begining of cd3 and put it on the end of cd2. you have a lot of space to work with, so you can easily choose a suitable scene change to do it on

You haven't released them yet and it would solve that problem for most people (I'd have thought most people would end up doing this anyway, so it might be a chance to ensure resharability of the latter two cds). I see no reason not to do it really, people are going to download them all or none of them, so they'll most likely be watching them one after another. I think it would be a preferable course of action (:mrgreen:) from all points of view. People who download, don't have to fix the files to fix on cds and the source count will be a lots higher as peeps can reshare

Anyway, looks like some quality weirdness so I'm in

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 8:36 pm **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

However this is an easy thing to fix if you want. Split off 80-90mb of the begining of cd3 and put it on the end of cd2. you have a lot of space to work with, so you can easily choose a suitable scene change to do it on

You haven't released them yet and it would solve that problem for most people (I'd have thought most people would end up doing this anyway, so it might be a chance to ensure resharability of the latter two cds).

This is what I'm saying from the start, look at the thread... -- I'm waiting to hear comments from the fileheaveners, but this is probably what I'm going to do in the end. I'm a bit unconfortable cutting the second file, but I understand that it may make life a lot easier for a many people.

spudthedestroyer wrote:

I think its worth noting that it is impossible to overburn 780mb (95% of the time) without investing in either a DVDr burner or if your lucky enough to own one of a minority of burners to can overburn 780mb, different, more expensive and harder to obtain media.

That's strange, Spud, I can buy 100MB CDs for 1 euro or little more, and Liteon cdrecorder are cheap and will burn them without a wink... But I'll try to go for maximum compatibility if I can.

Yet this is very fringe stuff, so I don't expect it to stay around for much anyway.

d0c · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 9:41 pm **Post subject:**

pffff.... i told him to ask some of the experts in here for help about the ripping, but he keept the crap talk going, that is daft... but anyway good your here spud so you can point him in the rigth direction

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 9:59 pm **Post subject:**

d0c wrote:

pffff.... i told him to ask some of the experts in here for help about the ripping, but he keept the crap talk going, that is daft... but anyway good your here spud so you can point him in the rigth direction

Bear with me d0c, I'm just an average disco Joe :matrix:

trep · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2004 10:11 pm **Post subject:**

Problem solved.

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