The Burning (1981)

video-man · **Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:06 pm **Post subject:** The Burning (1981)

Burning.The.1981.HDTV.WS.Xvid.Video-Man

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                              General Information
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Burn Tested..........: Yes
Special CDR..........: Requires 700 MB / 80 Min CDR

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Bit rate             : 384 Kbps
Channels             : 6
Sampling rate        : 48 KHz

Video Format.........: XviD
Source...............: HDTV 
Original Format......: NTSC
Genre................: Horror
IMDb Rating..........: 5.1
Movie Information....: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082118/

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Posted by............: video-man
Posted to............: ath and horror

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                                 Release Notes
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ok i download this HDTV cap off usenet it is uncut and widescreen only down fall 
is that it has logo's in the upper right corner

did it as 2 cd's to get the most out of HDTV resolution

2pass gordian knot

Plot Summary for
The Burning (1981)

A janitor at a summer camp is accidently burned severely from a prank. Years 
later, he is released from an institute, and returns to the camp with a pair of 
hedge clippers to take revenge on the campers.

Cast overview, first billed only:
Brian Matthews   ....    Todd
Leah Ayres  ....    Michelle
Brian Backer    ....    Alfred
Larry Joshua  ....    Glazer
Jason Alexander   ....    Dave
Ned Eisenberg   ....    Eddy
Carrick Glenn   ....    Sally
Carolyn Houlihan   ....    Karen
Fisher Stevens ....    Woodstock
Lou David  ....    Cropsy
Shelley Bruce ....    Tiger
Sarah Chodoff  ....    Barbara
Bonnie Deroski   ....    Marnie
Holly Hunter  ....    Sophie
Kevi Kendall  ....    Diane



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Koffkongen · **Posted:** Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:52 pm **Post subject:**

Thanks for bringing this Video-man. :beerchug:

Looks really nice.

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:27 am **Post subject:**

This is so fuckin sweet! I've watched a crappy dupe for years now, thoroughly disappointed when all the rips were so shitty. You have truly filled a big, hungry hole with this one. I would be really interested in the HDTV cap itself... but this is more than satisfying. Thank you VERY much! The v-man fills my hd yet again! :beerchug:

George Tatum · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:21 pm **Post subject:**

Thanks video-man, I grabbed your DVD from Usenet, is this the actual HDTV cap?

@GrindCallus, it wasn't the rips that were shitty, it was the source material. I have the uncut Vipco DVD and it is obviously mastered from a crappy VHS, I don't think the Dragon DVD is much better although I haven't seen that.

ManicMiner · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:35 pm **Post subject:**

Thank you! This is a classic. :beerchug:

video-man · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:53 pm **Post subject:**

George Tatum wrote:

Thanks video-man, I grabbed your DVD from Usenet, is this the actual HDTV cap?

@GrindCallus, it wasn't the rips that were shitty, it was the source material. I have the uncut Vipco DVD and it is obviously mastered from a crappy VHS, I don't think the Dragon DVD is much better although I haven't seen that.

this is the actual HDtv which is 10x better then crop experiment i did

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:47 pm **Post subject:**

George Tatum wrote:

@GrindCallus, it wasn't the rips that were shitty, it was the source material. I have the uncut Vipco DVD and it is obviously mastered from a crappy VHS, I don't think the Dragon DVD is much better although I haven't seen that.

If the Source is bad, the rip is bad. As we say in the audio industry (which applies everywhere): SISO, shit in shit out. The rip I got from here was definitely done from an uncut dupe VHS, and not either of those DVDs (they probably aren't uncut). This is like Christmas Part 2, but the sequel is better than the original. Just finished, thanks again!

myers112 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:14 pm **Post subject:**

Thanks

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:46 pm **Post subject:**

GrindCallus wrote:

George Tatum wrote:

@GrindCallus, it wasn't the rips that were shitty, it was the source material. I have the uncut Vipco DVD and it is obviously mastered from a crappy VHS, I don't think the Dragon DVD is much better although I haven't seen that.

If the Source is bad, the rip is bad. As we say in the audio industry (which applies everywhere): SISO, shit in shit out. The rip I got from here was definitely done from an uncut dupe VHS, and not either of those DVDs (they probably aren't uncut). This is like Christmas Part 2, but the sequel is better than the original. Just finished, thanks again!

i think the point he was making is you can't classify the rip as 'shit' (it can look like shit which is entirely different), implying the rippers did nothing wrong and deserve whatever credit for doing a good rip, it was the dvd authorers that are shit rather than the rippers

He doesn't actually argue that they look good, just the rip was done well. video-man's hdtv rip could be flawless, but by your definition its shit if a super-ultra-hdtv 2.0 rip comes out now.

George Tatum · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:10 am **Post subject:**

Well said Spud, that is exactly what I was saying. As for the DVD's being cut I seem to remember reading that the Dragon DVD is cut, as is the first Vipco DVD, but I have their second release (the one with "The Burning" written in flames on the front as opposed to the picture of Cropsy) and can confirm it is definitely uncut, I did a detailed comparison against both the uncut Thorn EMI pre-cert and the 1992 cut Vipco VHS as part of a VN cuts list I am working on which I will post here once it's in a more complete state, in other words once I can motivate my lazy arse to finish it :wink:

GrindCallus · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:38 am **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

video-man's hdtv rip could be flawless, but by your definition its shit if a super-ultra-hdtv 2.0 rip comes out now.

Thats not by my definition at all. Shit in Shit out. A shit VHS to avi equals shit. A good HDTV cap to avi does not equal shit, because the source wasn't shit. Even if it can get better (super-ultra-HD, like you said), that will not make this rip equal shit. My VHS dupe was so many generations, that a rip of that would be shit. The old rips of this, whether from either DVD or VHS, were shit too. One of the rips that claims to be a dvdrip looks worse than my worn VHS dupe. Hence, Shit in Shit out, which does not work conversely. Shit can equal Shit, or Gold can equal gold or shit. Follow me? No offense to the old rippers, at all, but you said "i think the point he was making is you can't classify the rip as 'shit' (it can look like shit which is entirely different)", and I disagree. If it looks like shit, its shit. You moved my HQ rip of 2000 Maniacs to LQ because of it being NTSC, though its picture quality is more than fine; if only to meet standards (which I wholly agree with). This rip of the Burning is absolutely HQ (not shit). This is a case of gold in gold out. Know what I mean? (wink wink nudge nudge say-no-more) Sorry to insult you guys, but if it looks like shit, its shit, thats all I meant. Didn't think calling the old, dead, rips shit would have been a prob.

Anyway, here's the ed2k links, I've got em at PS Release:
ed2k: Burning.The.1981.HDTV.WS.Xvid.Video-Man.CD1.avi [702.05 Mb] [Stats]
ed2k: Burning.The.1981.HDTV.WS.Xvid.Video-Man.CD2.avi [700.89 Mb] [Stats]

[ Add all 2 links to your ed2k client ]

Dr Phibes · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:51 am **Post subject:**

GrindCallus wrote:

Anyway, here's the ed2k links, I've got em at PS Release:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:28 pm **Post subject:**

GrindCallus wrote:

spudthedestroyer wrote:

video-man's hdtv rip could be flawless, but by your definition its shit if a super-ultra-hdtv 2.0 rip comes out now.

Thats not by my definition at all. Shit in Shit out.

Actually, its exactly what you said because your confusing rip with quality, and ignoring what George meant. You can argue that to the sun comes down, but you said no it isn't and preceded to describe exactly the same scenario again

What the phrase your referring means is relative visual/audio quality, not the rip quality, but the quality of the material being ripped.

You think in a 20 years time they'll veiw HDTV as good quality?
No, your very specific with your description and its all relative and ultimately missing something. By your definition as soon as something better comes along, its a shit rip. The reason for this is because your not describing technicalities your talking about relative visual and audio quality which is independant from the definition of rip quality.

A good rip can look like shit. A shit rip can look quite good. So you can't say a flawless capture is a shit rip, might look shit, but it isn't a shit rip unless you descend in an egocentric view on things.This is quite clearly what george meant (or at least i thought it was obvious) and its obviously correct unless you descend into relative and unconclusive judgement.

The technicalities of making a good rip are the same. Its very unsubstantiated to call someone's rip shit when it can't possibly be inproved upon, it might have been made by ILM labs themselves. Its for the same reason a rip that looks okay can't be called a good rip, if he didn't ivtc or crop (which is also what your arguing by basing rip quality as a relative decision, the door swings both way) :wacky:

Its fine to do things this way if you must, but its contrary to the terminology of a rip. Don't worry about insulting anyone, your not insulting anyone because your argument still comes down to the fact that you view a rip as shit as soon as its surpassed by something better, and relative judgements, yet it could be perfect rip up to that point of replacement :wacky:

I won't continue the thread hijacking :lol:

but it was to do with something on this site.
This is exactly the purpose of the higher/lower quality split. Its to do with visual quality mainly. If the source is crap but the rip is perfect it goes in lesser quality. If we did it on purely rip standards, it would be in the higher quality. So the lesser quality section can have great rips in it, and it does (it also has a lot of nukes in too, because technical flaws are counted too).

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:09 pm **Post subject:**

oh btw, can you post the ed2k in a new thread in the ed2k sections if your sharing them?

elman · **Posted:** Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:47 am **Post subject:**

Nice movie (better than Friday the 13th IMHO), excellent quality, but shame about those TV logos

George Tatum · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:03 pm **Post subject:**

Ironic given the earlier posts in this thread but this is a classic example of a well done rip produced from a substandard source. I grabbed the DVD-R from Usenet and checked it with the Vipco DVD, and this is the 4:3 version which has been further cropped to make it widescreen. If I get round to decrypting the vobs, which is probably not required for a Vipco DVD, then I'll post a screen. Guess we'll all have to wait for MGM's R1 DVD coming later this year then. I've bought this film twice already though and have no intention of buying it again.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:14 pm **Post subject:**

damn it, and its not OAR vs open matte? Doesn't make much sense making a cropped HDTV author, that's a waste of a lot of money.

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