I spotted this at fileheaven (had a more colourful topic title too ) so thought i'd bring it over:


Follow the two links for the articles

Interesting info. I used to donate to CMs. After what happened there no p2p site admin will ever see another fucking cent from my pocket. If it came down to pay up or ban then they can ban me to hell cause I don't fucking trust anyone after all the shit that has gone down the past year or so.

Edit: I'm also reading through that long thread in the second link. More interesting stuff. I guess noone here is either interested or could be bothered to take a minute to actually share an opinion.

Well i agree in some cases, it entirely depends on how open the moderation is. I wouldn't hesitate to donate to somewhere like fileheaven.org . If your a user there you'll know why.

* I fundamental disagree with vip treatment (pay for access), seems a real indicated of a scam.
* I would never donate money to a site that doesn't publicly list the donations it receives and the costs. You have no idea whether the money is needed.

I'd like to say that only a minority are untrust worthy, but its hard to trust these big torrent sites by the vip access and no indication of the level of donations they receive.

Personally, I would never have donated to crazey-mazeys, I don't recall ever seeing valid explainations or required money summarising the need for donations, and without that i don't donate.

However, I will say that bandwidth isn't free, so on the flipside, running a torrent site which has lots of bandwidth usage payed for out of your own pocket will be taking quite a hit. You can see from that perspective that users are eating up the bandwidth. Running a torrent tracker would require a hell of a lot more bandwidth than this site uses anyway (this site has very minimal hosting costs)

It fucks it up royally that there's these loser scam sites making a quick buck out of all of this, and these same sites are recording detailed info on users.

I've never been a fan of the torrent network, this tracker business is a real mess and is definitely the networks achilles heal.

I got a minute or two.

I like the fact that the ed2k network seems to both inherently repel leechers looking for a quick download, and nurture open and giving communities. BT really has a lot of issues with trackers, so I don't suppose any of this should be a surprise.
The slyck forum thread was interesting, but showed some very narrow minded views regarding p2p and the scene... both of which I claim to be no expert on, but could pick out obvious flaws in some of the reasoning.

Honestly spud, when it comes to hhah, i'd donate even if you were just sticking in your pockets.

This is the only P2P page that I have donated to, and I will keep doing it once a while. That's because this is a great community, and because Spud always is open with both the cost and the donation.

Yeah, same here, I will make another donation soon

in some ways yes, however,
a) yes there is a group of people from the scene that has formed a group called antip2p to attack p2p users
b) heavy uploaders to p2p who grab their files from topsites have had their details posted publically by this group (check out some topsites or nfos for public bans/namings).
c) certain morons from the scene certainly believe the crap they preech, for example I'll quote some nfos:
http://fileheaven.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18069





*snip*



and yet they release the stuff by semi-public means to get huge spread, and release the fastest they possible can in these same cases that what it says makes absolutely no sense.

I hope no ones saying they suck or unappreicated, since everyone should be very appreiciative of scene releases (top stuff), but the attitude is very ironic and sad for what i hope is a small minority of groups. Many people are questioning why there's this attitude, and all i can assume is either:
a) too much coverage, but i can't think its by the way these same groups release to top sites and ftp dumps. When a 0day release gets everywhere fast, that is a lot of heat they will get I'd imagine. However, if this was a real concern, why not wait and do an internal or proper later instead of rushing out a release? I think this is a delusion. If they didn't want the coverage, then why release in this way? So I don't subscribe to this reasoing

b) money. I hate to think about it but topsites rake it a lot of money, just think of sold piracy... where do they get the copies from? You have to wonder if some groups sell the stuff by the frequency and speed the releases come out. Now this is contrary to p2p, if its out in the open, i'd imagine exclusive profits from membership topsites (not private trackers remember, topsites for ftp acces) aren't so hot if the material is readily available, and that sales for stuff you can get anyway is down. B is more f*cked up and i can't imagine all groups think this way, and even i can't really believe this is what it is. However, I think there's more credibility to this than a.

Why do you think there's this attitude of elitism in some groups?

I would imagine B is the reason - an nfo I read recently said that if yo weren't being PAID enough to provide screenerrs etc to contact the group (can't remember which one) for better rates.

There's no way they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, money and NOTHING else is the motivator and the reason for the hatred of p2p

on the flipside, i can't imagine people do it solely for that. Deep down they started for the same reason, well lets say STR do it. I agree that the attitude probably has to do with that, but i don't think they do it for money.

I fell asleep on page 4 or something ...

Let the established scene go fuck themselves... Like somebody posted , there will be a 'p2p scene'....

I agree.