No, it will be sacrilage... Suspiria is a perfect movie, but it had little stupid ending... (I mean, a dead witch?)

but camera work, script, and all that stuffs are perfect... a tr00 masterpiece...

They should make the follow up to that, Clive Barker´s book goes well beyond the movie, there was so much more of that story to tell... I thing that it was supposed to be a trilogy but it did very bad at the box office.

I think that nightbreed would actually be a good movie to remake. They missed a chance and they could make a great movie out of that

I agree, but only if they put the whole story, not just half like in Nightbreed. The film stops just when the nightbreed has to find another place to live. A lot happens after that. The name of the book is "Cabal" if someone's interested.

I actually thought Nightbreed was quite good fun as it was. The creature effects at the time were BIG news in the nerdish FX world.

I've always had a real soft spot for Nightbreed too and it would have to be a VERY good remake to better the original IMO. I'd rather see Lord of Illusions and Candyman remade before Nightbreed. Lord of Illusions I really didn't like and I'd prefer to see Candyman remade in it's original location, as per the short story. But instead of all these remakes why not make movies of some other Clive Barker works, particularly from The Books of Blood - some of the best horror writing I've ever had the privilege to read. It was even mooted some time ago of making a TV series of Imajica, now that would be something.

Candyman? I can't agree that needs remaking, that's excellent by and large. All the changes are a vast improvement over the source.

i mean a council estate in liverpool has nothing over the connotations of a ghetto in new york, and that change brings so much more to the movie than i think the original setting ever good. The oppression, poverty and 'silence' of the community works for the stories advantage, and you don't have a crummy b-movie any more but a more effective horror movie with social commentary.

I don't think there's a chance in hell a remake of Candyman would work. I also think the changes improve vastly in bringing out the true nature of the story.

I'd put that in a category of "movies that 1up the source material"
So i'd be bitterly against a Candyman remake, one simply isn't needed. Bernard Rose made a great movie there, and a forerunner for the whole self-reflexive movement.

Nightbreed i enjoyed, but its a troubled film as far as tone, plot and potential goes. Its not as fluid, the plot seems to stall in several places, and it never gets to the bit everyone really wants to see at the end. I think it needed a better script and some really strong art direction. I also think its not gorey or brutal enough in the underworld. Its an opportunity missed and I think it would make an excellent title to be remade.

Lord of Illusion i thought was just a pretty naff movie, and although i've not seen the source material, if the plot is the same, I can't imagine it would appeal to me much in the first place. Was a bit of a underwhelming story i thought.

Its very true that there's stuff that needs to be made without resorting remaking stuff that's already been made; i think the issue is if you see the mistakes made, you can visualise where it went wrong and where to improve. For that reason remakes will persist, you might have seen it and though you could have done better, or that you can make it better, but because you've got a visual template it makes it easier to see what to change. Or so you'd think, but modern remakes seem to be just making it worse in a lot of cases.

The problem with hollywood remakes is that they aren't for matters of improvements, they pick an old movie that a retarded audience won't watch because its in black and white, old and with no cgi, or in a 'foreign' language. Money over substance as always, but then the studios know why they are in the industry and its not for art like the lower downs might wishfully think they are.

Don't get me wrong spud, I do like Candyman. It's just I read the story 'The Forbidden' before the film came out and I'd like to see it in it's former location telling. In fact it would be good as a short (the story only being 37 pages anyway)

And are you saying Liverpool has no atmosphere?

Lord of Illusion..... SCOTT BAKULA!!!



Enjoy!

I'm saying the candyman is the least of the proplems for Liverpool...

.. wait, yes

Actually it was going to be remade but they decided against it, now supposidly the japanese are going to make an anime version of it?

It´s about time the asians start making remakes, all that original stuff was getting boring.

Original sure, but rarely makes any sense whatsoever.

C'mon your´re saying that films like Ju-on and The ring or Shutter don't make sense? Asians have the best horror films that I've seen. Holywood remakes them all the time... Do you think that it´s only when they're spoken in english that start making sense? I dont think so...

Actually I think you're picking standouts instead of the bulk of the films released.

They pick these elaborate outlandish circumstances to base the loosely interwoven subplots to base a script on. The best can do that and tell a story visually without being dialogue-heavy. Pulp Anime is even worse, explaining everything in dialogue, and basically leaving visuals to show setting. Again the good stuff is good.

Don't even get me started on bulk american cinema, I might tear it up completely.

Or even UK film/TV dialaogue! STOP YELLING AT EACH OTHER!!!



But on topic,

there is little need to remake anything, a retelling is ok, a sequel could be welcomed, new film based on source matieral is good, and finally an update of an old movie is ok.

actually I think you're picking the standouts instead of the bulk of the films released.

Anime sure has hell != the asian movie market, you only really have a case if you hyper inflate the significance and amount of anime that makes up the asian film market. Anime is a pittance of the movie market.

I'd be inclined agree with mataesfola, they do silly films (lets say, like casshern) but for every silly film that I can think of i can think of ten more that aren't. IMO it's stretching to suggest the bulk of asain cinema is incomprehensible. Are you basing this on a couple of bmovies you got from this site? The majority of the asain market are actually not like that, proportionately speaking, more of the weird films make it over here for us to notice, but in terms of actual output in the Western world we get totally distorted view of the asain movie output.

If you were talking about the comparatively tiny amount of anime exclusively then I'd agree with you about it being silly...
KANADA!!!!

but not about asain cinema as a whole over the past century.

Actually I watch many 'commercial' asian films (thai/japanese/HK cantonese mostly). Not from choice, I import them for my step-mother (originally from
Taiwan). I can barely make through the bulk of them. There are good action films and adventure-dramas, the rest put me right to sleep.

I can deal with incomprehensible, but not when it makes it boring.

Like I sadi the good ones are just that. Comprehensible.

And wait your saying anime is a small market? Huh? Insignificant? I can't go anywhere without being bombarded by it's merchandising and social-culture. Maybe that is not so in the UK. But the US has the most volume of geeks/sq mile.

Yes, its just a very small part of asain cinema. Its just rabidly popular within a demographic that are the subject of targetted advertising, and have the most disposable income.

By the logic your applying, and to try an anlogy to what sums up the gist of what i'm saying, saying that all asain movies don't make sense is like saying every computer game has a plumber in it. Just ain't true, there's some wacky, trippy stuff that's popular, but its only a very small volume.

Who said wacky trippy? I mean just plain stupid boring nonsense.

Though most general media falls prey to that IMO. Not that I could make something better, but c'mon, so general asian cinema isn't as mindnumbingly cutandpaste as american cinema? Lemme go to a mall in Japan and see if its not the same. Betcha it is.

How come only asian horror films get remade in the US?

hehe... well you did actually, it was the first thing you said and what i've been replying to (and Mataesfola too by the looks):


Then you went on to describe anime plots as an example a post or so later, so i naturally assumed that's what you meant

If you meant boring instead of what you initially said, it doesn't change that much I still can't agree with you at all really for the same reasons. Once again same problem, judging an entire industry by a footnote of the actual output in my opinion.

I dunno... feel free to skip the following ramblings on the matter
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There's some boring movies as there is everywhere, that's just going to happen in any market, but I really have to doubt your up the entire range of the asain market with these two comments that all asain movies don't make sense and all asain movies are boring. I don't think it really reflects the state of the industry at all in either case (although they are inclined to make some very weird movies since there's a larger creative license and bigger crowd that's into that stuff). For the boring stuff, your never going to like everything, just like hollywood, but suggesting like you did that its got a higher ratio of boring movies or nonsensical movies I can't fathom, its always been the opposite for me. I find more points of interest in the creative freedoms of the asain market than either hollywood or even domestic. Here in the uk we have too many drama movies, but in asia, spanning the countries they got a much wider range of movies, styles and talents that its very hard to make any casting assertion, for me anyway.

It does reflects how the us studios excuse themselves for remaking and making dumbed down movies to pander to this viewpoint though. I've never been able to fathom what the studios do.

Comedies and horror are two popular genres for the demographic i'm in and which i enjoy, for the former, I'm a big fan of Stephen Chow these days, I find his movies have something that american comedies totally miss... HUMOUR . Its witty, and silly and just plain funny. Compared to hollywoods output, his movies alone put hollywood to shame, but then stateside humour is by and large pretty lousy. I do go out and bought loads of his movies after seeing a few, and most of them deliver (by go out, i obviously meant tracked down an import dealer ). Horror you could roughly split into splatter and serious as far as volume goes, and they do both brilliantly and to a much higher degree of success than hollywood has yet been capable of. Ringu et. al might have been a tad droll, as an example of a movie people find boring, but then its got to do with how successful the movie became, so one mines boring is another mans genious. Atmosphere. But that's based on individual film by film criteria, i really don't think you can say its all boring or it all doesn't make sense. So personally I'd take the slightly plodding pace of the original over the american remake which scarifice what generally made the originals so popular in the first place (taking the big hitters for example here)



Your joking right? They remake ALL foreign language movies that are successful (really check imdb, there's a lot of remakes you don't even know are remakes), and the reason its asia in the news is that it has a lot of very popular movies since its a well established movie industry. there's a huge amount of french, italian and spanish movies that get remade without you even knowing. And its not like Russain movies don't get remade if and when they appear (I'm waiting for Night Watch to get its remake announcment, Fox has already dumped money on the sequels and now the last one is being moved to the states and will be half in english ). Unfortunately for the movie fans out there the american studios think people won't watch subs, this is why they remake at such a rabid pace. Its a same really since its usally a waste of money because they fail to capture the brilliance of the original.

As i previously said, what you actually see is what your getting as a selected subset of the entire asain market, you just can't fairly judge the industry on what hollywood studios tell you/import. I really am finding it difficult to understand what your talking about from what asain movies i've seen over the last decade.

And the reason they are remaking foreign language movies is that americans are intolerant of foreign languages, sad but true. It really is that simple, the studio executives base their output on what's popular, and that's domestic, english language movies for a domestic english language speaking audience. Its not that they aim to improve or change, its to cash in. Asain movies are popular, asain movies get remade. The movies are usally popular because they are good and were entertaining, and more often than not they really don't need a remake.


So I really can't see it. Not all asain movies are boring and not all asain movies don't make sense, most of them i've personally seen aren't really fitting of this (and once again, i'm subject to import so even my wider view of the market is still constricted). I don't think it really reflects the state of the industry. Infact, i find its probably a complete contrast in a lot of areas. Some of the brightest, most colourful, compelling and engeretic movies I've ever seen have come from asain territories. Where as some of the most retarded, intelligence insulting, uninteresting movies have come from hollywood

note: i'm excluding bollywood from all this, i hate bollywood