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killingjokezzz
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: Beneath Still Waters (2005) |
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Buried In The Backyard
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Thanks! Been waiting for this.
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FMsaziri
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of gore should make this slightly better than Yuzna previous mess...
Thank you 
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Why are you encoding at such low resolutions and bitrates? If you are taking the AFR route, please do so properly. If you could aim for 1.45 GB, you can have a higher resolution, higher bitrate and also keep the original AC3 audio. What you are doing now is no better than the usual CD-sized LQ rips. 745 MB is only to be used for ultra-compressible movies which in no way can be stretched to 1.45 GB.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot,
looks like just what i need.
i love a simple slasher from time to time.
i read the acting was pretty bad, which even makes it more attractive.
clicketyclick
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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?? 2CDs would be overkill for this, let alone 1.46Gb!!
There's nothing wrong with this rip IMHO
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yuzna! On it! Thanks 
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unskinnyboy
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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PC_Arcade wrote: | ?? 2CDs would be overkill for this, let alone 1.46Gb!!
There's nothing wrong with this rip IMHO |
Is that because of the movie itself or your anti-AFR policy or you like low resolution, low bitrate rips in general?
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killingjokezzz
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Could someone please clarify these AFR 'rules', as I've seen nothing in black and white. To me it simply seems logical to use 1/6 DVD for movies like this rather than 1x 700MB CD size. If I'm incorrect please explain.
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unskinnyboy
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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There are no rules per se (just a general understanding on how it should be done), and I haven't patented the word AFR either so I certainly can't claim sole authority over this. But I am one of the people who pioneered the concept in FH and worked towards pushing the idea into mainstream, so I am a bit hurt when people start making 1/6 DVD-R, 1/7 DVD-R, 1/8 DVD-R rips.
If you ask the folks over at FH, they will tell you that one of the main reasons why they go for AFR rips is because of the QUALITY too (along with the convenience of DVD-R-friendly filesizes). As a rule of thumb, aim for a base size of 1493 MB for average 1.5 hrs movie. If the movie is longer than that or not compressible enough, your next stop is a filesize of 2239 MB. By sticking to these filesizes, you can keep the full resolution, high bitrate, and also keep AC3 audio.
Some reading material:
http://www.fileheaven.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61421
http://www.fileheaven.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64321
Quality of the movie should never determine the quality of the rip, because different people have different tastes.
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killingjokezzz
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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OK, thanks unskinnyboy. I maybe, and incorrectly, assumed that 1/6 DVD size was acceptable for a release and more preferrable than 1 CD size. Dependant on the movie too i.e. 1/6, 1/3, 1/2 DVD size (this isn't Lord of the Rings you know). So am I right in thinking that 1/3 DVD size is a bare minimum for a rip? That'll change a lot of people's thinking and I have to admit I'm still a little confused.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: |
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That's true - this is better than a 1xCD rip. So I take it that you meant for this rip to be just a replacement for a 1xCD rip and really didn't care about the quality aspect of it? 
To make matters simple, I am requesting that you do an HQ AC3 rip. In earlier days, people would have asked for you to do a 2xCD/XviD/AC3 rip. Since we no longer consider CD-size viable, I tweak that request to be 1/3 DVD-R/XviD/AC3. Clear? 
I am requesting that you ensure that your releases be known for its quality as well the compliance to the DVD-R sizes, however shitty the movie itself might be.
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killingjokezzz
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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OK usb, got you. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. I do still think these things need to be clarified though. Stickies on ed2k releasing sites maybe. Akin to the TDX rules for 'scene' releases. Would really help a lot.
As to your first question. Erm yes. Have you seen this movie
Seriously, cheers.
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unskinnyboy
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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No, I haven't seen this movie, nor was I planning to. Before I used to download a lot, but in the past 2 years, I must have downloaded about ~150 GB in all, and most of them pr0n, while I uploaded nearly 2.5 TB. So you see I am a very poor downloader ..  However, I do take the liberty of advicing people (sensible or not ) every now and then in the hope of a better ed2k community.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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this movie is pretty shit, 1/6th is fine for me
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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With horror movies it's often better to use 1/6 DVD so people are more inclined to keep them shared for a while. Like Spud pointed out on numerous occasions, a movie that's not likely to be downloaded by many people can survive for a longer period of time as a 1-CD rip (replaced by 1/6 DVD nowadays of course).
Also, AC3 2.0 is a good reason for the smaller filesize. When you have 2.0 audio, the movie isn't too long (plus compressible) 1/6 DVD with mp3 vbr is sufficient IMHO.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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unskinnyboy wrote: | PC_Arcade wrote: | ?? 2CDs would be overkill for this, let alone 1.46Gb!!
There's nothing wrong with this rip IMHO |
Is that because of the movie itself or your anti-AFR policy or you like low resolution, low bitrate rips in general? |
I'm not "anti-AFR", I choose not to use it (as I have to produce scene compliant rips), but I don't mind what filesize anyone else chooses to use, whilst adhering to one of the accepted "standards".
I'm a firm believer in the rip fitting the material, this movie doesn't IMHO warrant a 1/3rd DVD rip, whereas you seem to advocate everyone should rip to your standards?? suitable or otherwise
I'm intriged by your phrase later on where you say you advise people in "the hope of a better ed2k community." And yet your tone with me would indicate that the only ed2k community your interested in is one that fits your agenda.
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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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i think usb was just advocating ripping at the best possible standards of quality. He even said he doesn't want this movie, and i bet most people won't want a bmovie tv movie. The problem with dead-donkey material is its usually selectively wanted, missing source quality and more often than not, best suited to 1cd, 1/6th size. I<d> only use 1/3rd for movies with mass-audience appeal, like candyman, the thing, etc. This is more than adequet as a 1/6th for me. AFR is kind of getting the most out of the space, so dubs, audio commentaries, etc. are strictly forbidden/contrast with the guidelines. Its a bit like Superbit in many ways. The thing is, not every movie really needs the superbit treatment, this being one of them
Now the thing is about 1/6ths size, its been in gknot for years, way before AFR, its just not really been adopted till recently. I still think its a good idea to use those sizes over cdr sizes even without afr. I'd say blanket overkill probably is counter productive in these cases. Its like asking for a 2cd/3cd Ac3/DTS for every movie, sometimes its really not needed, particularly with bmovies you want to keep spread. That's WAF territory, but they usually rip generic new crap that people are after. massive files are going to die fast if they aren't popular movies, and horror is a shunned genre, particularly the rarer and bmovie stuff. There might be a need for very high quality or arbritarily high standards, but that's probably a hit and run high bandwidth torrent site where files aren't going to last anyway.
1 file releases are a heck of a lot easier to keep shared than multiple cds too, another benefit of adopting the afr, people are even no longer splitting for 2cd releases, which i also like.
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Not how it read to me, but whatever *shrug* 
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unskinnyboy
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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What spud said.
Well, if a movie is really really shitty as if like a universal truth, then it isn't even worth ripping. But, usually since people have different tastes, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
For example, I didn't like the movie Chinatown (1974) and couldn't understand what all the hype was about it. But that doesn't mean there is any dearth of people who like that movie. Maybe because I watched the movie in a wrong mood, maybe because I watched it when partially drunk - the bottom line is I didn't like it. Now if someone makes a 1/3 DVD-R rip of the movie, I won't go in there and claim that the movie deserves only a 1/6 DVD-R rip because I thought it was shitty. Nor will I compromise with quality in the releases I make, because I didn't like the movie myself.
The difference here is quality. Even if I am watching a bad movie, I want to watch it in the best possible quality to minimize the pain. So here I am asking someone to release even a bad movie in the best quality for the benefit of the community as a whole and you are advocating that since you feel the movie is shitty, 1/6 DVD-R is enough. Sounds like you have a deeper agenda here than me, if anyone has one. Dial-up connection?
What would have been my agenda here anyway? Considering I did have one? "World domination by proliferation of AFR rips" ?
I can buy spud's and Rogue's reasoning though and I feel OK with that. Your arguments never contained any solid reasoning as to why it should be 1/6 DVD-R.
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