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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:38 am Post subject: |
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DxaKrator wrote: | I got a MSI Nvidia gforce 4600 Ti gold and I have never had a problem with TV out or pixel issues.I have had an Ati all in wonder card and it gave me nothing but headaches.I guess it depends on alot of things you have with it in the long run...but I would never buy another Ati product. |
even though they rip nvidias pathetic 4xxx range to shreads and are now the only graphics card company to supply the graphics chipset to two out of the three next-gen consoles (the other being sony who are doing it their way again)? Driver issues (which is ATIs biggest problem) are fast sorting themselves out, but still the odd game performance rollback (some games get better fps out of the cards) is needed. However, regarding tv-out it is brilliant quality out of the box, in contrast to nvidia's which is shockingly bad (and infact 9 times out of 10 needs a 3rd party software for it to even work correctly  ).
Regardless tv-out quality on the ATI 9000 range is superb, next best thing to a dedicated tv-out card. Nvidia's tv-out support is adismal, TV-tool helps a lot, but it still looks like ass. The problem isn't pixelation, it lacks sharpness (going from the geforce 4200 Ti which is an identical tv-out chipset) and blurs the picture too much. I also see lag and other problems during playback that just don't effect ati (my radeon 9800 XT handles divx/xvid better than any nvidia card I've used has, and i've used 5 different models in total (although only 3 in this pc)).
nvidia is quickly going the way of 3dfx.
I'm quite the opposite, I'm never buying nvidia again. Just shoddy product, after over-clocked, underperforming product. For the same price you get worse performance and terrible tv-out (in comparison at least), I see no reason to invest in any current Geforce (unless your desperate  ), and by the shape of previews of the next chipset, I see no change in their 'formula'. Methinks the end is very much nigh for nvidia if they don't shape up fast.
Xbox is the best bet if your pc is ass though 
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PC_Arcade
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Mod of the Living Dead Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:16 pm Posts: 6898 Location: Desolation
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I agree with Spud on this, I've ALWAYS had Nvidia, but unless their next chipset is head and shoulders above ATI, I'll never look at their products again.
Ironic if Nvidia do go the way of 3dfx as they bought what was left of them 
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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The Devil, Probably Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:32 pm Posts: 2153 Location: H.H.A.H. I.R.C. =STR= Lair
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Say what you will about microsoft!
But the xbox (albeit chipped) is a console dream!
I will have my xbox long after next generation consoles come and go!
Unless the xbox 2 is new and improved on the xbox1 then I will just migrate!
And 100% on the nvidia TV-OUT - pile of shit!
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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:50 am Post subject: |
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as far as consoles go, Xbox wins hands down. I find it ironic that the reason it does is because its basically a pc
Quote: | Unless the xbox 2 is new and improved on the xbox1 then I will just migrate! |
If the news is true you, i and everyone else are going to be pissed; xbox2 won't have a HDD, and will use propreity format like Gamecube to cut down on piracy (and look how well nintendo has done at avoiding piracy, there's still no way to play pirate discs on the gcn, just by streaming them over a network via the gcn bband adapter and that's hit and miss). It will be really bad for m$ if they don't do another PC in a plastic box in my scenario. That's all its appeal for me (as a media centre) 
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PC_Arcade
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Yep, Xbox 2 is closer to a mac ( :-o )in terms of hardware by the look of things.
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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:55 am Post subject: |
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http://www.megagames.com/news/html/cons ... nohd.shtml
Quote: | A new deal, announced between Microsoft and M-Systems, seems to corroborate initial stories that claim the next XBox will have no hard drive. M-Systems is a company known for its tiny, key-ring size, USB flash drives and according to the deal it will manufacture a completely new product for XBox 2.
Microsoft has already made clear its wish to produce some sort of memory card for its next console and a variety of sources have claimed that if MS does so it will be in order to drop the hard drive. M-Systems themselves claim that what they are making for XBox 2 is a new product with far greater capacity than the 8 Mb current XBox memory cards.
M-Systems current product list includes a USB 2.0 device with capacities of up to 1 GB, by the time XBox 2 is available it is almost certain that higher capacity devices will be available so memory cards could be a viable alternative to the hard drive. Losing the hard drive has become an almost win-win decision for Microsoft since by excluding it they will save a decent amount of money while offering an alternative which will, most probably, have to be purchased seperately. At the same time a hard drive-less XBox 2 would be less enticing to hackers and especially those dreaded Linux users while at the same time promoting networking the console with a home PC running some form of Windows and/or through MS's XBox Live service.
The cynics reading this would cry-out in disgust claiming that the creator of XBox 2 will be reducing its capabilities and potential while promoting the sale of accessories and content but this is the direction the industry is heading towards.
How exactly Microsoft plan to protect the console from users exploiting the networking capabilities which they will definitely have to include in the new console is a matter of debate which will most definitely keep us busy at some point in the future. |
The hard drive seems to be definitely out http://www.megagames.com/news/html/cons ... nohd.shtmlQuote: | As more information is given by Microsoft to developers about XBox's successor, more details on the specifications begin to "leak". The first and possibly most surprising information was the strong possibility of a fall 2005 release for XBox 2 or Next. The next shock is that it seems very likely that the next XBox will not come with a hard drive.
The suggestion coming from Microsoft partners is that a head start may do for the next XBox what Sony's 20 month lead did for the PS2. There is, of course, a balance to be achieved if such a venture is to prove even moderately successful, that of the right Hardware-Content Chemistry. Rushing out a major hardware product into a multi-billion dollar market is not a recipe for success.
The other, somewhat, surprising details about the next Microsoft console revealed have to do with the company's choice of hardware. It would seem that the company has decided to go with the current trend of using multiple processors. The suggested setup is three IBM-designed 64-bit microprocessors. These will be an improved future version of the ones currently being used in Apple's G5 PowerMac boxes. This, in essence would give the MS console more computing power than current home PC's and will put the same console in a similar footing with Sony's, mutli-cell powered, PS3 and rivals Nintendo who will also be using IBM chips for their upcoming N5 console. The change in architecture has upset developers since that will, most probably, mean that game development for the console will become harder. One of the advantages of the current XBox console is the ease with which content can be created for it. The change also raises some issues regarding the backwards compatibility of the new console. This is becoming a major question mark as you will read a bit later.
Although the graphics for XBox 2 will be provided by ATI the same sources claim that they will be nothing special but will, obviously, be faster than ATI's forthcoming R420 chip. It is also expected, by then to carry GDDR3 type memory which runs at 600 to 800 MHz, meaning frequencies of 1200 to 1600 MHz.
The other major thorn between MS and developers currently is the company's decision not to include a hard drive with the console. Microsoft claims that high-capacity flash cards will be adequate and more importantly, bought separately. For MS the hard drive proved to be more trouble than it was worth, since it allowed for Linux to be run on the machine while adding approximately USD 40 to the price. At the same time developers claim that original XBox games will have problems running without a hard drive, raising the compatibility issue again, while yet others suggest it is impossible to claim to sell an online-ready box without offering a hard drive for content in the package. It is likely that Microsoft will begin considering the inclusion of a hard drive if Sony announces a similar move.
The RAM side of XBox 2 is by far the most flexible part of its specifications. For the time being its parents are going for 256 Mb with an option to increase to 512 if the competition makes a move.
Another possible compatibility problem might arise from Microsoft's determination to work on a proprietary optical disc format. Details of that are far from official so it is still hard to extract any useful conclusion.
While all this information originates from a fairly reliable source, we have to bear in mind the not even Microsoft is fully committed to any specification features yet. The company plans a major developer briefing this month, since many are already working on Next-Next-Generation titles, while further presentations will take place this March at the GDC in San Jose and in May in the sidelines of E3.
Another, perhaps more significant reason, to be apprehensive about hardware information at this stage is the fact that competition between console manufacturers is growing. Each would like to have their hands on the others roadmap and hardware specs and for the time being Sony and Nintendo are being very good at keeping their plans secret. Microsoft has decided to tease them out by throwing some specs around for public consumption but you can be certain that it will change anything at the drop of a kimono if its rivals announce better hardware for their machines. If the Japanese duo decides to remain silent on their specs and let MS writhe in agony, we may have to wait even beyond the two exhibitions this spring before we hear of the final specs for XBox 2. |
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autopsy
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Blood Sucking Freak Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:23 am Posts: 222
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let me get this straight.
on the xbox, in addition to DVD's, you can play divx/xvid too??
how?
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paul-scream22
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:46 am Post subject: |
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The Devil, Probably Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:32 pm Posts: 2153 Location: H.H.A.H. I.R.C. =STR= Lair
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CHIP IT!
And it's an emulation/media/gaming centre!!!
I'll let the resident xbox KING deal with further info............PC_A :
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PC_Arcade
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:47 am Post subject: |
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You have to either chip or softmod your xbox, then you run either (or both) Xbox Media Player and Xbox Media Centre
LOL, thanks Paul, let's not forget who taught me though 
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DxaKrator
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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The Practice Girl Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:08 am Posts: 6099 Location: Back in the glistening folds of Barbara Bush's Twat
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I just don't have problems with mine..not sure what you guys's troubles were with it..keep in mind though that the ATI I used was an all in wonder card and I know they have come a long way since then.When I was looking for a cap card a few months ago I almost got an ATI but went with the pinnacle studio instead(which also has the TV-out option)I have yet to try the TV out on that card but I can imagine it gives better results than the nvidia does..I just haven't played around with it to much except for capping.Don't get me wrong here I am not a Nvidia banner waver whatsoever...the reason I had to buy the add-on in the first place was because of the problems I was having with the video-in for capping...which pretty much pissed me off.I haven't been up to date on all that vid card stuff lately simply because I haven't been in the market to buy one since the pinnacle(cost me a small mint for that).So I guess I should rephrase my statement about not buying an ATI since I really haven't kept up to speed about their progress.If Nvidia is going the way of 3dfx though then that completely sucks.Main reason I got the Nvidia in the first place is because I have an Nforce board and wanted everything to jive correctly for me..which it does to a certain extent as far as gaming and all that.It's amazing how fast everything gets outdated with all the new hardware.
Software mod for Xbox?where the hell do you get that?Thought you could only mod by chipping so this is new to me..sure would like some more info on that as to what is better chip or software.
Also would like to know which modchip you guys think is the best out there,there is quite a few
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PC_Arcade
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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OK, the xbox (or at least certain models) can be fooled into running unsigned software by removing / renaming the M$ font files and replacing them with other files. PM me if you would like more info, I'm not 100% sure Spud would like this sort of info cluttering up these boards.
However, if you want to do that, please can you post your Kernal and Dashboard versions (settings -> info D:xxxx and K:xxxx).
I'm about to chip my 3rd Box (1 chipped with a Matrix, one softmodded and one currently unchipped) and am going for the X.B.I.T or Xenium chip, there's not much between them, but I want a solderless chip option 
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GaMeR
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've missed the tv-out part. So I want to return that topic. I'm using ti4200 tv-out, it's very nice. I don't get much legos at the background (with tvtool, if I use the nvidia drivers tvout, it's a mess). But I couldn't get any picture with my Ati Radeon. I have a mobile Radeon on my laptop, I couldn't get it working.
And a small note, Spud says a lot of good thing about his xBox at various topics, I thinki I will get one 
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spudthedestroyer
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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it would be a good purchase. I think there's a console price drop in the wings too. PCA is the Xbox expert, I'm sure he knows the best place to steal one from 
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The_Skull
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Mummified In Barbed Wire Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:58 am Posts: 116 Location: South Of Heaven
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I backup every movie I download, even the ones I dislike for whatever reason coz CDR/DVDR's are cheap. Also I am a movieholic so some movies I watch several times (who does not watch let's day Evil Dead from time to time  ).
@PC_Arcade
Seems like you have a setup problem. I myself got a Ti4800SE and I dont have any problems whatsoever when I playback on TV thru the TV-out. Try checking out nVidia's new drivers, there is a big improvement in the TV-playback section.
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Purple.Nightmare
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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The Ancient One Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:48 pm Posts: 2912 Location: The House On The Edge Of The Park
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i got an old pII 450 i use as a media box with dvd drive wired 2 my v.nice tv, the only downer is that the gfx card is a gf2mx400 and the tvout sux cause i cant get rid of borders  every version ov tv tool i got from SR neva worked, oh and sumtimes the sound can be a bit quiet (maybe only with ac3 movies) would love 2 get a chipped xbox as think is pretty kool but jus cant afford one 
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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In Hell I Burn Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:08 am Posts: 431
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2 more questions.
1) How exactly would I back stuff up, then view it? I tried burning some Tales from the Crypt .avi files, then I tried watching them to see if I did it right, and it said it was read-only. I burned it using Nero, as a 'back-up' thing.
2) My TV is in the room above me, and I don't feel like cutting a hole in the floor to get a cord through there. Is there some kind of wireless TV-out option where the quality DOESN'T suffer a lot from being wireless?
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DxaKrator
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: |
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The Practice Girl Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:08 am Posts: 6099 Location: Back in the glistening folds of Barbara Bush's Twat
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you need to burn the image in file mode.When your wizard pops up use the first option whichis iso mode..then drag and drop your files like that...don't do backup option as that won't work...just pay attention to the bar at the bottom of the screen as far as how much disk space you have left.That is all there is to it...I use Disk at once option and also make sure if you are using cdrs to check the Finalize cd option on your burn box that pops up.I use powerburn but I got no idea on your system but I would try that first.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:16 am Post subject: |
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In Hell I Burn Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:08 am Posts: 431
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Thanks man, got the whole backup thing now.
But, is there such a thing as a wireless TV-out?
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DxaKrator
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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The Practice Girl Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:08 am Posts: 6099 Location: Back in the glistening folds of Barbara Bush's Twat
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I think you could...just use the svideo plug out and the stereo out from your pc and plug those into a wireless like you would a vcr.
Here is one site that sellls them,probably not the best prices but you can see what exactly I am talking about and then search from there.
http://www2.shopping.com/xKW-wireless_video/linkin_id-3025833/GS.html
I myself have mine going to a vcr and the have it through spiltters going to all the rooms in the house.
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The_Skull
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Mummified In Barbed Wire Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:58 am Posts: 116 Location: South Of Heaven
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Kyle wrote: | Thanks man, got the whole backup thing now. But, is there such a thing as a wireless TV-out? |
Yeah there are, I bought some cheap set in Holland and works like a charm thru walls etc. So no 30mtr cables thru my apartment.
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