Holy Crap! *GOOD* DL Burner hits the market!

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:16 pm **Post subject:**

I think they can tell, but if ur returning it to SVP, then they won't check. if your RMAing, I don't know... I would have throught they'd just replace it though, lazy sods that they are.

Hell they must cos about ?2 off the production line :lol:

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:17 pm **Post subject:**

I'm trying for a replacement.

sparhawk · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:38 pm **Post subject:**

OKay, bloody stupid question!

Noobie alert!

I have downloaded the 1.10 firmware update from the pioneer website - it does say in the readme info that the flash utility should be run in pure dos and not a dos window.

Can I not just run it under XP or will it screw the drive?

(Flashed the bios for me old NEC under windows three times!).

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:42 pm **Post subject:**

Right, curiouser and curiouser, I've downgraded to 1.06 and all appears to be fine, burnt 4 disks @ 8x with no problems, looks like my machine doesn't like the 1.10 update

What f/w are you guys running and is all well @ 8x?

sparhawk · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:12 pm **Post subject:**

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What f/w are you guys running and is all well @ 8x?

1.04 as shiipped and no problems so far at 8x.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:23 pm **Post subject:**

1.10,yes. Flashed in windows :lol:

Methinks the reason it says flash in dos is because you need to make sure there's nothing accessing your drive and dos is pretty much a batch os.

I think your pc is just f*cked PCA, no problems.

Krug · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:14 am **Post subject:**

spudthedestroyer wrote:

@krug, using NEC parts doesn't mean shit, this is what happens all over the electronics business. If it meant anything other than jack shit, then performance for everything would be the same, but it sure as hell isn't. Your totally over simplifying it to the nth degree. The problem is, even if they use the same small parts, the architecture is completely different, if it wasn't you could flash the drive to be NEC, and the NEC to be pioneer. They are completely different from the base level up. And its proven that pioneer are more capable software engineers since their firmware is so good

What your saying is really silly, the place you probably read it was probably at fileheaven where i corrected the person for not knowing about electronics

It doesn't mean dick, plextor will have "nec parts" in too, but they sure as dick are better than any other drives in their category.

Interestingly, can you post me to these reviews that favour NEC? The ones that you made sure weren't written before the pioneer was on the market.... thats the only time NEC drive gets praised, when it was the better drive when it had no real competition. Comparison reviews all point to high error rates and slow reading.

OK I don't wanna fight about this. Your drive is better. Even with the "NEC parts".

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:02 am **Post subject:**

fight? What are you talking about?

I'm really struggling the relevance of using a 'NEC part' here and there, when the construction is entirely different? What's fighting about that?

You stated something that has little significant so I wanted to correct it.

As noted Plextor use the same 'nec parts' but they are miles better than the other burners because their technicians are a damn sight better.

Its just a really silly and pointless thing (unless the shared component is significant), if the underlying technology is different, whats the significant of having the same base level component when the rest is different. The most significant parts come in the buffers/cache, the laser, the build quality, but they aren't worth overstating on their own, and the efficiency of the architecture is the most important part.

Sharing components is the fundamental basis of the entire electronics market, its nothing new and it only makes the difference when comparing base component quality (which we don't, its the end product thats important, unless the component in question drastically effects the burning). If one company has the bigger facilities to output specific components, its cheaper for another company to purchase through them rather than establish a competing factory, in the same market at an extremely competative price. It's just not economical, and which is why you'll find NEC are top manufactures of TFT panels (infact my DELL monitor has an NEC panel in I believe, either that or a smasung), but they don't build the best monitors.

The performance similarity don't go beyond the component

However this doesn't have the slightest impact on the drive in any kind of comparison, unless the similarities are beyond the base architecture. If they were, everything would be pretty much identical.

Beyond that, I would genuinely like to see some of the reviews please. I don't get what your gibbering about fighting for, (unless I've accidently challenged you to a duel or something) but I really like to read up on all choices in the market, and if there are reviews that favour nec over pioneer I would like to find out why. I do make up and buy a lot of pcs, so it is kind of important to be on top of the game. If you can't be arsed then say so, but that kind of post was really rather lame...

It sounds like your taking criticisms of NEC personally or something, you don't work their do you? If you do, well erm...

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:42 am **Post subject:**

oh btw, what format media are you guys using?

You might not be aware, especially if you switched from a NEC, but pioneer has from the start been in the -r camp. Which means you'll notice this media (as well as being a damn sight cheaper) is generally a lot better burn on a pioneer than a +r equivalent. I'm not too sure if the reverse is applicable to NEC (who were a +r backer originally). Of course, both burn both formats fine

I only ever buy -r, not much point delving into +r meda for me (well beyond dual layer I guess

).

Just thought I'd give the heads up incase you weren't aware

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:35 pm **Post subject:**

I'm using -r (and probably always will)

I think the problem with my drive comes from the bits that the 16x4all (based on 1.06 f/w) change aren't changed back if you then go straight to the 1.10 firmware, the drive seems to be OK now I've gone back to stock 1.06. I'll upgrade the f/w to 1.10 (non-hacked) and see if the problems happen again.

ViSCeRaL · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:47 pm **Post subject:**

I notice SVP have DL media in stock a ?4.49 each. :shock:

Anyone tried a DL burn yet?

sparhawk · **Posted:** Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:42 pm **Post subject:**

DJBenz wrote:

I notice SVP have DL media in stock a ?4.49 each. :shock:

Anyone tried a DL burn yet?

Used one of the expensive Verbatims on a star trex original series episode and it seems to be fine, plays back on the pc without any trouble - but they are stilll damn expensive.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:08 am **Post subject:**

SVP has had them instock for ages now, two brands, but as said... far too expensive atm.

I'm waiting for a price drop so I can copy all my B5 dvds on my hard drive

ohgodnotanotherone · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:27 pm **Post subject:**

20 toasters and counting..... :wacky:

Anyway I've eliminated "burn software" as the possible critter....
It's not just nero....this gay ass Sonic record Now ! that came with it reports the same damn verification errors...
Applied nero cleaning tool to erase any old nero junk .... no effect...

Dvddecrypter suffers severe bufferunderruns....even after putting the image on a new clear partition.....

Now it's just my drive , the media (philips+R which managed to cope with the nec 1300 ), or that damn sp2 :evil:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:37 pm **Post subject:**

erm, is this about that shit burner you bought?

Well I'm sure I warned you somewhere.

a) your ide configuration is wrong
b) you don't have DMA turned on
c) your drive is shit.

You won't find a software solution.

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:35 pm **Post subject:**

Firmware 1.14
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/download.js ... W114EU.EXE

Right then, let's see if this one fucks my drive up.

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:09 pm **Post subject:**

well as long as its official :lol:

Remember that only firmwares for 108s work on 108, the 108xx need different firmware.

PC_Arcade · **Posted:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:08 pm **Post subject:**

1.14 on and working fine by the look of things

Has anyone else tried the 16x4 all firmware and had any success?

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:18 pm **Post subject:**

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Has anyone else tried the 16x4 all firmware and had any success?

Call me paranoid, but you think anyones going to use it now that you've pinned doomsday to it? :lol:

Nope I think I'll skip it myself Mr Arcade :lol:

John_Doe · **Posted:** Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:09 am **Post subject:**

So, I'm just about to order one. I should still go with the Pioneer DVR-108, or wasn't it that good anyway? Or is there perhaps something newer I should look into?

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