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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:04 pm  Post subject:
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Actually is there not some way that it would be possible to do something like a daily links list that could be sent out to everyone by email/PM? We could still do the posts just leave the links off and then send the linkss out like that to all registered members. Probably more trouble than it's worth but if worst comes to worst...


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:55 pm  Post subject:
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how about posting encrypted but printable ed2k links anonymously on usenet?
given the fake name of the poster and a perl/python script, one could harvest links and feed the mule in a semi-automatic way.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:28 pm  Post subject:
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Yes a stupid dummy discussion in some groups with permanently changing sigs. :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:34 pm  Post subject:
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The MPAA is so stupid. They should know that they cannot win. What now will happen is that more secretive methods will be developed. Since they should know that the current situation is only a temporary drawback in p2p, a more intelligent solution would have been to contact the site admins and come to an agreement that the site will be tolerated under the condition that no film younger than ~6 month will be listed. For me this would be good enough. Would this have been ok with you, Spud? You other leechers?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:53 pm  Post subject:
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but i would like to see the shaky cam version of the latest movie to see if it's worth the price of the ticket :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:23 pm  Post subject:
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tweye wrote:
but i would like to see the shaky cam version of the latest movie to see if it's worth the price of the ticket :mrgreen:

Would it be worth the existence of this site for you?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:00 pm  Post subject:
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TaKYoNtheKoRRuPTeD wrote:
I have always said, if/when I get caught, I will point out the fact that p2p has actually encouraged me to buy more on DVD.

Yep, that's when I get banged up for buying uncut Dutch imports :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:28 pm  Post subject:
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Am i right in thinking it's the 'clickable' link that is breaking the law?

If it is couldn't you make them non clickable so you had to copy and paste them?

Or am i barking up the wrong lampost?

Or maybe just barking? :wacky:

WTH i'll just do a search for STR every now and again :D

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:46 pm  Post subject:
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Take your pick, none of them are right and all of them are right.

ed2k links aren't illgeal, clickable or non-clickable. They are being targetted none the less. The clickable/non-clickable doesn't make a difference.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:02 pm  Post subject:
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spudthedestroyer wrote:
ed2k links aren't illgeal, clickable or non-clickable.

Wrong illegal is what the big money deems illegal.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:35 pm  Post subject:
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nope, "They are being targetted none the less" was the sentance I preceded that with since thats what's happening, but no nation has deemed them as illegal, yet to my knowledge. They take the servers and then just sit on them until the owner gives up, or its just nothing else that can be done.

Not even SR case has been taken to court. They're stalling them all. I would be very surprised to see shareconnector admins in court any time in the next 3 years, unless they've been doing something naughty behind the scenes of course.

End sharers is another matter, they generally don't touch them, but they do blind filename searches and distrubute letters to discourage people. However, this does not concern the ed2k network or ed2k links, but the actual distrubution of data on the network.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:17 pm  Post subject:
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I was just thinking today...
This month I've bought 100? worth of original DVDs.
Well, OK, it's not EVERY month like that, but I HAD NEVER BOUGHT
A SINGLE DVD BEFORE FILE SHARING. I swear it.

Who cares buying movies if you can't share them amongst like-minded
friends? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:47 am  Post subject:
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wargand wrote:
tweye wrote:
but i would like to see the shaky cam version of the latest movie to see if it's worth the price of the ticket :mrgreen:

Would it be worth the existence of this site for you?


i mean for me it's a political issue. i want the right to download anything, from yesterday's movie to lumiere's "train at the station" (well, vice-versa actually).
allowing links older than 6 months is a compromise i dont accept.
it's all links or nothing. now i'm for nothing, cause the bad guys are after us.

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tweye wrote:
i mean for me it's a political issue. i want the right to download anything, from yesterday's movie to lumiere's "train at the station" (well, vice-versa actually).


The possibility to download even the newest stuff would not go away, you just would not be able to find it so fast. Of course they simply cannot make file sharing legal. You will never get the right to download everything. However, since they cannot make it legal, and they can not prevent it, it would be logical, that they try to minimize the damage. Tolerating sites which obey a few rules could be one way.

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allowing links older than 6 months is a compromise i dont accept.
it's all links or nothing. now i'm for nothing, cause the bad guys are after us.


Hmm, interesting. Should have made a poll. :wacky:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm  Post subject:
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wargand wrote:
Of course they simply cannot make file sharing legal. You will never get the right to download everything.


I'm a dreamer. 8)
if i dont like the things i download, i would never have paid for them anyway. on a large scale it would make economy more sane and so the world a better place.

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paul-scream22 wrote:
Do you know what I hate the most though, is the people that actually make financial profit from piracy.

Us internet geeks really do just spread the love and share our files.

But the "people" at your local car boots/markets selling Pirate DVD's for ?3 or 3 for a tenner, they're the ones that need to be stopped.


Yes, that's another thing with p2p. I don't think MPAA's attacks on, for instance, eMule, will increase the sales of DVDs. But I think those guys selling pirate DVDs on local markets can actually gain many customers! It's still cheaper than buying the original product, and if you're not able to download it, who you gonna call?...

This way RIAA and MPAA actually promote the worst kind of piracy, the one that is aimed at financial profit. Those guys aren't going to disappear because SR, SC or any other site has been closed, they have their own independent sources.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:15 am  Post subject:
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But I think those guys selling pirate DVDs on local markets can actually gain many customers! It's still cheaper than buying the original product, and if you're not able to download it, who you gonna call?... This way RIAA and MPAA actually promote the worst kind of piracy, the one that is aimed at financial profit.


I still think they are just cleaning a little house in preparation for pay per download movie services. Why squeeze a little more out of an already established market like dvd's? Their profits are good. How about the potential online pay-per-view? Exclusive first viewings, online only releases, etc, and enough people happily then paying for a service and not having to worry about being sued. I sense another successful fear campaign.

The part I find disgusting is the fact that they aren't losing money, and are just bashing their way into making more, while riding on a white horse of morals along with an army of brain washed bought politicians.

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Really? I thought it's all about the artists and their rights. :lol:

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Polityk wrote:
paul-scream22 wrote:
Do you know what I hate the most though, is the people that actually make financial profit from piracy.

Us internet geeks really do just spread the love and share our files.

But the "people" at your local car boots/markets selling Pirate DVD's for ?3 or 3 for a tenner, they're the ones that need to be stopped.


Yes, that's another thing with p2p. I don't think MPAA's attacks on, for instance, eMule, will increase the sales of DVDs. But I think those guys selling pirate DVDs on local markets can actually gain many customers! It's still cheaper than buying the original product, and if you're not able to download it, who you gonna call?...

This way RIAA and MPAA actually promote the worst kind of piracy, the one that is aimed at financial profit. Those guys aren't going to disappear because SR, SC or any other site has been closed, they have their own independent sources.


I agree wholeheartedly with this, the MPAA/RIAA are targetting the wrong people, I've downloaded a lot of films, I've bought a lot of films, but I've NEVER sold anything I've downloaded.

I can't see how targetting the average p2p user will stop the sale of pdvd's from computer fairs and car boot sales, it's THESE people who have links to organised crime, and closing all the p2p sites in the world won't stop them :evil:

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Exactly PC_Arcade :wink:

And I agree with Polityk too.

The MPAA is blocking many users that deal in holywood screeners from getting them for free so now they have no choice then to purchase pirates :roll:

Maybe they are the ultimate capatalists and the reason they target us is that we get this stuff for free and make no profit AT ALL from what we do, so they just see that as totally wrong :P

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