Blood fuckin Gnomes plz. I need to see this shitty film, and I believe someone said the last rip was fooked.

what did everyone think about the quality of this one (now it should be spread)? I hadn't capped owt for ages but I thought it was an alright job.

Any problems (apart from that of the movie itself )?

Erm, how long have I this now on my hd? Don't know, but I still have not looked in, yet.

Now I have seen it. The quality is very fine for a VHS-rip. Unless there is a real DVD-rip this one is well worth spreading.

anyone want a new rip of this copy i got is from widescreen japanese laser disc transfered to dvd quality is excellent

i got that rip too and may put my ed2k share when i complete bt seeds if requested.

yeah sure, we want the new rip

Count me in for the new rip.

yup if there's a widescreen LD cap that's better than this, then sure, go for it.

I think you should be able to pull off a very nice 1cd Xvid

The one I got is 592 x 446, 29.976, Divx5. Quality is indeed very good, but I can go for video-man's XViD too

yep i can do it later on

just remember not to make that mistake!!!

what the fps 29.976 should be 23.976

Well I forgot how f*cked up the NTSC format was for a second then.

The film *should* be 23.976fps, that's the speed NTSC film cameras are (okay cinema framerate is 24fps), the only material at 29 natively as you'll know if your an american, is TV and some, but increasingly not, home video.

However, I have no experience at ripping a NTSC video, but I got the impression they ran at 23.976fps? If it runs at 23.976fps, and you capture at 29fps your just wasting data. But as said, I've never had the opportunity to capture a yanky vhs, have you tried capturing at 23.976? You might want to check that out.

You see over here, we get a single standard framerate, the correct colours, a larger resolution, sharper picture and all the other advantages... makes everything a lot simplar

Can you try capping a vid at 23.976 and have a look see, I'm interested in seeing the results.

If its jerky, that means that its playing back too fast, at 5fps more than cinema (24->29), and the runtime will be a lot shorter than the cinema. If the runtime is the same or rather, really close to cinema, its playing back at 23.976, you shouldn't notice a difference between material capped at 23.976 and 29.976.

I've no experience with NTSC vhs, but there's one of three options:
a) they've fed in junk frames, 6 frames per second, and this will make it jerky to people who aren't used to it.
b) they put it on at 23.976
c) they speed up the movie by 6fps

Anyway, now I think about it, I'd really like to know... is it possible to do a test toast on a vhs movie if you got time?

Ideally it should be 23.976fps, but I get the feeling its not going to be now... thinking about it.

mine whan i do it vhs to dvd with dvd reocrder does the standerd 29.976 that pretty standerd for tv or 30 fps

but it can be set encode 23.976

29.976 and 23.976 are the same for ntsc only one different is 25fps which is pal

ivtc will change it to 23.976 when i select it on auto gordian knot

I'm not sure what you mean?
23.976 is NTSCfilm
29.976 is NTSCtv

They are both NTSC, but these are native framerates, so you shouldn't encode native 23.976 as 29.976, or 29.976 as 23.976.

That what you mean? Yes, but the problem is the content on retail DVDs is stored as 23.976 then artificially bumped up to 29.976 to ensure compatability with even old crappy tvs, so the force film, simply forces the actual NTSCfilm frame rate, and if its a tricky dvd, that is hard coded artifically high, then you need to IVTC it to the correct framerate.

Anyway, every time I see 29.976fps I cringe, mainly because I see many potentionally excellent DVDrips ruined by not returning it to the actual framerate it should be.



My assumption is your still wasting the bitrate with initial source capture if your capturing at any stage at the wrong framerate. I mean by this, if your supplying video at a certain framerate, and you capture it at a higher one, you simply get the same frames repeated = bad.



Here, if your capturing a 23.976fps source, your wasting 6fps takes a chunk of your bitrate, which mounts up to a 'unacceptable' size on long movies.

That's the concern. I didn't know you captured with a DVDrecorder, is there no option to fix the standard 29.976fps on it? Normally they have an option hidden away somewhere.

Anyway, I'm just voicing a concern that you should also capture at the sources native framerate to avoid wastage and loss of quality.


Of course, I don't know how they went about creating NTSC vhs, if it plays back at 29.976fps, then there's not much you can do. They messed it up in the first place, so 'correcting' it is impossible. If I were to make a bet, I'd say they have messed up and artificially increased the framerate like they do with PAL content, but surely that makes the runtime quite a way lower since its, to use the technical term, 'arse raped'.

*sigh* if only everyone used PAL

If you can't change your DVDrecorder speed, I don't think IVTC will do any good Its that capture stage that would need to be tweaked to test.

err... carry on

From the guides i've read most of NTSC should be ripped at 23.976. XviD does not like 29.976fps because it recognizes them as extra frames or doubled frames which reduce quality(as Spud has said). Try using Gknot instead of AutoGk because anybody i know who uses Auto ends up with 29.976 framerates. It truly is better to edit them settings manually instead of Auto doing it just for quality purposes. Here is a quote from the best ripping guide i've come across which echoes what Spud has said. It's taken from here http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=267&p=2



Sorry if i sound like Spud's shadow on this but he was the one that taught me how to rip and as painful as it is he's right on all accounts

I know, I'm scared too...

It's good to scan the source with DVD2AVI first and use Force FILM if video type is FILM with a high percent value. That means you don't have to use IVTC later. I ripped couple of NTSC DVD's to date, I used Forced FILM in all of them but one, and 23.976 gave the best results.