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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:19 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Hey Wretch, I have had oversizing problems as well. More information is to be found here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=92046
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http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=91665

Although I must say that in the last case where I had oversizing, it turned out that everytime there was something wrong with the avs script. When I finally managed to get the script right, the oversizing was gone.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:34 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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elchupacabra wrote:
Why do you think they are oversized?


All the rips i've tried have been VHS caps and i'm trying to standardize res at 512x384 (which is the best res i can get without going into the red...) - i presume i'm trying to get too high quality from fairly poor input? Haven't had a chance to read the other threads yet, so i'm just pissing in the wind... :wacky:

@Slayer - thanks for the links, will check em out soon and see how i go... :)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:42 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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747mb + mp3 vbr @ ~96-128 kb/s ? You should be able to get more than 512x out of it unless your movie is quite long ;) I wouldn't recommend a single script to rip your vhs', I wouldn't recommend a single standard script for any rip ;)

I would suggest some noise filters (heavy noise), a decent lower bitrate matrix (maybe jawors 1cd, or vlq), and maybe a deblocker.

What is your capture format? VHS->DVDr? VHS->MPEG1/2? VHS->DV/MPEG4?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:50 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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spudthedestroyer wrote:
747mb + mp3 vbr @ ~96-128 kb/s ? You should be able to get more than 512x out of it unless your movie is quite long ;) I wouldn't recommend a single script to rip your vhs', I wouldn't recommend a single standard script for any rip ;)

I would suggest some noise filters (heavy noise), a decent lower bitrate matrix (maybe jawors 1cd, or vlq), and maybe a deblocker.

What is your capture format? VHS->DVDr? VHS->MPEG1/2? VHS->DV/MPEG4?


Movies are just standard length - 1:30 give or take. I've been doing 700mb + 128kbps MP3 VBR, the caps are just VHS ->DVDr through DVD recorder at best compression (13min/GB).

Haven't learnt anything more about GK than bugs' guide here, so not sure what you mean by a single script? :oops: Do you use the noise filter options or do you mean an add-on filter?

Appreciate the advice - haven't a lot of time at the mo for reading guides... :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:18 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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wretch wrote:
I've been doing 700mb


Make that 746 MB (1/6 DVD).

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Haven't learnt anything more about GK than bugs' guide here, so not sure what you mean by a single script?


I think he means that you shouldn't write one script (avs script, the one you can edit in GK - adding plugins and filters and the like) for all your rips. Every movie is different, so you need a different script for any of them.

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Do you use the noise filter options or do you mean an add-on filter?


Try the noise filter options first (heavy noise), if that's not enough, you could always try extra filters later on.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:30 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I would recommend DegrainMedian and VagueDenoiser as noise filters. They are much better than those "standard" denoisers provided with GordianKot.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:48 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Thanks - will give it burl and report back :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:26 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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elchupacabra wrote:
I would recommend DegrainMedian and VagueDenoiser as noise filters. They are much better than those "standard" denoisers provided with GordianKot.


You're right, but wretch is only trying his first rip with GK. I think it's wise he gets to know GK first, and add filtering outside of GK later.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:30 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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wretch wrote:
Hey bugs

Many thanks for the guide - very simple to understand and easy to follow. I've been using AGK until now, i'm getting much better results with the simple settings you provided!


You're welcome & I'm glad you found it easy to understand :mrgreen:

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Done about 10 rips so far, all oversized except one - not sure what thats about, but will read through the threads when i've got more time...


How do you mean oversized? What size are they?

wretch wrote:
Haven't learnt anything more about GK than bugs' guide here, so not sure what you mean by a single script? :oops: Do you use the noise filter options or do you mean an add-on filter?


I'll get on with adding some scripting basics to the guide hopefully this weekend.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:41 am  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I have a question concerning the ripping of subtitles. If found this little guide: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dvobsub.htm

Question is: Do I really have to keep the IFO file with the IDX and SUB files? :?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:52 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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no, you only need idx and sub (or idx and rar ) :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:57 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Ok, thank you.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:29 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Ok,i have a question.
I have AGK 2.45 and i put a movie to encoding process.

The question is : Why there is no progress bar so i can't see how much is left (i mean it doesn't have to be the bar,some percentage showing will be just fine) ?

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:37 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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I suppose AGK is AutoGKnot. There is no progress bar in AGK itself but there should be one in VirtualDubMod it is using.

Check your task bar while your movie is being encoded, get the focus on the VirtualDubMod window and select "Show Status Window" from the menu. That should bring up the status bar of VirtualDubMod.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:41 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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In the nandub instance that's popped up in the background, go to the top menus (its the right most one, i forget what its called... "View..." or something) and then select "Status Window"

That will tell you how long that pass will take, there will be two passes and then audio muxing.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:46 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Yes,AGK is AutoGordianKnot (Too much to type,lol :mrgreen: )
Hm,there's no VirtualDubMod window running in the taskbar.. :?

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:58 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Digic1 wrote:
Yes,AGK is AutoGordianKnot (Too much to type,lol :mrgreen: )
Hm,there's no VirtualDubMod window running in the taskbar.. :?



I thought you were posting about GKnot (which is what this thread is about) rather than the AGK.

My bad... I don't use AGK, i think its crap and is prone to errors.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:02 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Oh,nevermind,i'll just wait and see what will happen :?

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:05 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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It's a long time since I've been using AutoGKnot. If there are no such windows you can do nothing but wait and check the log area.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:08 pm  Post subject: Re: Beginners Guide To Ripping With Gordian Knot
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Digic1 wrote:
Oh,nevermind,i'll just wait and see what will happen :?



Whilst your waiting, why not download Gknot and thumb through the first post of this thread? imo its a much better application :)

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