Help ripping Knighriders

John_Doe · **Posted:** Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:02 pm **Post subject:** Help ripping Knighriders

Ok, so I tried. It's my first attempt at using regular GK.

Wanted to make a 2cd rip with dual audio, 1 stream with original ac3 sound, and one with low-q 32kbps dir. comm.

Now what I ended up with was:
knight_Movie.avi (which is only the video, without sound) that's actually 1,4gb.
Then the knight.avi had the audio added and was suddenly 1.8gb.
Thus it was splitt into 3 discs. Two at 700mb and one at 459mb.

What did I do wrong? Why didn't it include the audio size to be calculated within 1.4gb?

Also, it didn't make the secondary audio stream 32kbps like I set it to be in the 'Bitrate' section. Do I also have to set it to 32kbps in the 'encoding control panel'? The doom9 guide said to set it to 'just mux'.

John_Doe · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:38 am **Post subject:**

I got it down to 1.6gb, but it just wont keep below that 1.4gb. I'm gonna try once more with divx instead, but if that doesn't work, I give up.

Anyone else who's had some experience with dual stream rips who want to give a few pointers?

Bassline · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:10 am **Post subject:**

well the only pointer i can give is to try FairUse (similar to AutoGK) as thats what i've done my dual rips on..... :wacky:

John_Doe · **Posted:** Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:01 pm **Post subject:**

great. tnx! will look into it.

John_Doe · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:13 pm **Post subject:**

I finally got this right. Had to use AutoGK and rip it with a set size, then add the secondary stream later, and splitt manually. I'll start releasing CD1 later tonight. Just gotta split the file.

Bassline · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:29 pm **Post subject:**

why didn't you do a dual audio stream in AutoGK?

John_Doe · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:12 pm **Post subject:**

because you can't select different quality to different stream! I wanted to have 1 stream with original ac3 sound, and one with low-q 64kbps dir. comm.

Bassline · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 pm **Post subject:**

you could have had the dir com at 128kbps MP3 ABR though couldn't you?.....wouldn't have thought that would hurt the video bitrate too much and would have been easier than doing the manual way...dunno....might have been worth a shot.....either way i'm looking forward to the release :beerchug:

[edit] dunno now....re-reading a tutorial i think it would have wanted to be AC3 also :wacky:

but did you not try FairUse?...that you can chose what format and bitrate for either audio stream :mrgreen:

John_Doe · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:08 pm **Post subject:**

nope, didn't get around to trying out 'FairUse'

John_Doe · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:11 pm **Post subject:**

before I've muxed audio 2.

Name.........: knight.avi
Filesize.....: 1,333 MB (or 1,365,606 KB or 1,398,380,544 bytes)
Runtime......: 02:26:17 (210,445 fr)
Video Codec..: XviD
Video Bitrate: 1078 kb/s
Audio Codec..: ac3 (0x2000) Dolby Laboratories, Inc
Audio Bitrate: 192 kb/s (96/ch, stereo) CBR
Frame Size...: 496x304 (1.63:1) [=31:19]

Is the resolution too low, or is it ok?

Bassline · **Posted:** Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:45 pm **Post subject:**

a bit low IMO but i'm no expert :wacky:

would it hurt the release if it was MP3 and not AC3?.....get spud and the more experienced rippers to take a look at that and get some more opinions.....saying that why hasn't anyone else bothered to reply here

come on ppl get involved and help JD make this a good rip :mrgreen:

spudthedestroyer · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:10 am **Post subject:**

lol @ more experienced. You mean the guy that's made the most fuckups?

Quote:

Frame Size...: 496x304 (1.63:1) [=31:19]

You should have upped that, and ditched AC3.... I think people include AC3 because its the easy option, not the right option. Your res is way too low for my liking and you really need to ditch AC3 (which is a waste of space, you don't really have a special ac3 stream anyway since its only 192kb/s).

IMO, do a compressability test @ 576xXXX w/ 128kb/s VBR MP3 + and see what it gets yous.

but you can't justify a 2cd rip with AC3 and directors commentry at that res i'd say. Somethings going wrong :lol:

As its a 2hr30min movie, you really do need 2cds. However, I would seriously attempt to do a 128kb/s (or higher) 2cd + with audio commentry at 96kb/s (gknot doesn't like <56kb/s mp3) if you really think its something people need).

Of course, you can try a compressability test with the AC3. Some people rag on the compressability test, but often it does give a decent guide I find. Anything above 80% is very nice.

BTW... you are checking "Calculate overhead" and selecting the right audio options in gknot right? Else there's a 'slight' oversize propblem (but not like you describe)

And your using the latest version? 0.32.0beta I believe it still is. Previous versions don't like Xvid 1.0 and you shouldn't use them with it.

John_Doe · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:33 am **Post subject:**

ok spud. trying once again then. =)

John_Doe · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:17 am **Post subject:**

Quote:

BTW... you are checking "Calculate overhead" and selecting the right audio options in gknot right? Else there's a 'slight' oversize propblem (but not like you describe)

The 'oh, so easy to understand' GK guide at doom9 said to uncheck 'Calculate...' when using xvid...

Bassline · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:30 am **Post subject:**

just throw that guide away and get this :lol:

FairUse 0.44 multilanguage.rar

gotta be worth a try :wink:

John_Doe · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:37 am **Post subject:**

ok. I just started up GK for another go, and gonna let it rip while I sleep. If it's not purrfect in the morning, then I do it your way Bassline. =)

John_Doe · **Posted:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:18 pm **Post subject:**

Nope! Ended up with 1.8gb and 3 cds again. Now I'm gonna try this 'fair use' thingy.

John_Doe · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:15 pm **Post subject:**

Ok. It's done again! Fairuse did the deal, although the cd's were a little bit undersized, it's still a very good result IMO.

Name.........: Knight.CD1.avi
Filesize.....: 691 MB (or 708,366 KB or 725,366,784 bytes)
Runtime......: 01:11:03 (102,209 fr)
Video Codec..: XviD
Video Bitrate: 1088 kb/s
Audio Codec..: 0x0055(MP3) ID'd as MPEG-1 Layer 3
Audio Bitrate: 184 kb/s (92/ch, stereo) VBR LAME3.95
Frame Size...: 656x352 (1.86:1) [=41:22]

Name.........: Knight.CD2.avi
Filesize.....: 697 MB (or 714,730 KB or 731,883,520 bytes)
Runtime......: 01:15:14 (108,232 fr)
Video Codec..: XviD
Video Bitrate: 1024 kb/s
Audio Codec..: 0x0055(MP3) ID'd as MPEG-1 Layer 3
Audio Bitrate: 183 kb/s (91/ch, stereo) VBR LAME3.95
Frame Size...: 656x352 (1.86:1) [=41:22]

What you guys say? Release?

Bassline · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:54 pm **Post subject:**

yeah looks good to me

......apart from that audio bitrate?....bit high innit?....and have you done the dual audio?

John_Doe · **Posted:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:11 pm **Post subject:**

well it's vbr..

The second stream is aprox 64kbps

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