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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:12 pm  Post subject:
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Maybe the guy was trying to make it for a high def tv...it's the only thing I could think of that would be a reason someone would rip at that res


Well, it's encoded directly from high definition master and it was made specifically for HDTV. Also it's not a rip, but original DVD that I have.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:42 pm  Post subject:
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Maybe a very stupid question, but a higher resolution is much better quality right?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:48 pm  Post subject:
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Only to a point, DVD resolution is (IIRC) 720x576 (PAL) or 720x480 (NTSC).

if you rip in a resolution higher than that then you are getting the codec to interpolate the image (adding information that isn't there on the source)

IMHO Going over DVD resolution is pointless

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:57 pm  Post subject:
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Aha!

thanks for the info

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:01 pm  Post subject:
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kinkyqueen wrote:
Maybe a very stupid question, but a higher resolution is much better quality right?


a native higher resolution with a high enough bitrate, yes. A resized higher resolution from a smaller resolution, no, far worse, a high resolution with a lower bitrate (ie dvdrips that aren't rescaled down), no, once again far worse.

Its all to do with the initial capture, if its captured at one res, it should never be higher than that. If its a newly mastered HDTV, then yes, its better to have that res initially, than to be sampled at the DVD res.

Concerning rips of the 700mb variaty, basically you don't have enough information for each pixel and you get visual problems (blockiness/loss of detail/encoding artifacts), so you need to reduce the resolution to a size that fits your bitrate. Therefore you resize down to prevent these problems. Here an arbitary high resolution is bad, a lower res will be better quality.

With HDTV sources, they are transmitted with a) a higher bitrate than dvd b) a higher resolution, so the quality of the picture is far superior to DVD which is a lower resolution and a lower bitrate.

However, if you cap the bitrate, then your introducing a bottleneck and herein defeating the purpose of hdtv, you have to reduce the resolution to keep the quality up or you'll get problems.

So to use TV release as an example, HDTV rips are rarely HDTV resolution, because they don't have the filesize/bitrate to support keeping the quality at that size, they are normally downsized and 350mb, but the quality is still good because its theoretically taking it from a digital source (the problem is that the amateur capturing devices used by tv rippers isn't as good as the capturing devices that create dvds by professional companies so its hit and miss). There are also often 700mb counterparts to tv rips, here the resolution is kept as the bitrate is significantly higher to support this.

So to your question, arbitrarily no its not, its only better if you have an abundance of bitrate to maintain the quality of the initial HDTV capture. Now since this particular example has a low bitrate, it really should be resized down, scaling up is bad.

Here are some examples of what its like to maintain the resolution, and to maintain the quality of HDTV (incidently i'd just posted this on another forum)
spudthedestroyer wrote:
That's nothing, take a look at the specs of some HDTV rips... here's one:
http://scifi.dead-donkey.com/viewtopic. ... light=hdtv

The Matrix Revolutions Hdtv 720P Cd1.avi ~ 4GByte
The Matrix Revolutions Hdtv 720P Cd2.avi ~ 4GByte
Code:
Codec:       XviD
Resolution:  1280 x 720 (1.78:1) @ 23,97 fps
Bitrate:     3896 kb/s
Audio:       2ch AC3, 384kb/s interleaving 42ms
Size:        3982Mbyte


http://scifi.dead-donkey.com/viewtopic. ... light=hdtv
Code:
Specs:
Codec: wmv3 (Windows Media 9)
Resolution: 1280 x 736 (1.74:1) @ 23,97 fps
Bitrate: 2243 kb/s
Audio: 5.1ch AC3, 384kb/s interleaving 42ms
Size: 4056Mbyte

Take a look at this:
http://img199.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img199& ... v012ye.jpg :o

http://scifi.dead-donkey.com/viewtopic. ... light=hdtv

Code:
Media Type : HDTV Rip
Resolution : 1280x720
Framerate : 23,976
Video Bitrate : 1805,76 kb/s
Audio Codec : AC3 - Dolby Laboratories, Inc
Audio Bitrate : 375kb/s
Audio Channel : 6
Size : 3,82 GB ~ (4.111.597.568 byte)


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http://images.dead-donkey.com/images/m38it.jpg


I hope that made sense :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:07 pm  Post subject:
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god damn it pca, how dare you write a shorter answer before i hit submit :lol:

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I'd be hard pushed to write a LONGER answer :lol:

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I would say that explain it all in a nutshell and a half :lol:

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Thanks kinky, this looks great!!

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Seems a very nice B movie, but toomany sources. Ok, it´s an oldpost anyway

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:32 pm  Post subject: Re: Island Of The Fishmen (1979)
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Hi! Any chance of a reshare on this one? Thanks in advance!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:47 am  Post subject: Re: Island Of The Fishmen (1979)
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Resharing. :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:57 pm  Post subject: Re: Island Of The Fishmen (1979)
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Awesome! Is this the adventure version or the gory version?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:23 am  Post subject: Re: Island Of The Fishmen (1979)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:11 pm  Post subject: Re: Island Of The Fishmen (1979)
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Anyone heard of/have the VHS rip of Screamers, i.e. Island of the Fishmen gored up for US audiences?


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